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oh man

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you know what those horns mean

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i'm feeling it already

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aliens and all things

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[Music]

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oh yeah

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yeah dude how you doing man

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doing good man yeah that was like an

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abrupt stop on the tunes

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oh you can't hear it you threw me off no

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you turned it off dude

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remember me here now i can hear it now

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it sounds good sounds real good it's

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been working for me when i remove it

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because um you are the key master dude

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i'm the key master i have many keys tiny

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and small and large there's no medium

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keys in existence in this specific

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universe there's no need for them dude

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there's no need for them you need big

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ones or small ones nobody's making

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medium-sized locks anymore nobody i

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don't know if you've

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you know you've heard the news lately

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it's either like you want a small

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inconvenience or a big one like you want

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your stuff to be like kind of safe like

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if you need to break into it like you

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can still break into it right or

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completely

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indestructible

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there's no there's no in between when it

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comes to safety

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dude uh i'm super excited about tonight

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this is gonna be friggin awesome

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we kind of been dropping the name uh

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anomaly archives for for you know about

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a month maybe a little bit over a month

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uh you know we've got a really cool

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guest uh

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he's local right here with us um and and

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it's so kind of crazy like how the whole

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thing happened and we'll

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we'll explain it to you guys but you

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know you know ben and i

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this dude is just such a nice dude he's

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such a great dude man let me tell you a

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little story like so ben and i you know

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we're like we found this place called

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the anomaly archives and you had to like

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message in to say what's up and they

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would let you into the door and you know

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let you know that you're coming and uh

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ben and i were like dude let's do it

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right and so so we ended up heading out

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to this anomaly archives and you know we

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we met this guy smiles and we're

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chatting with him and we're like hey

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dude you mind you mind if we uh maybe

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get a little film like you know while

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we're there and this and that

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and uh we didn't get the response right

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away so ben and i left the house

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and as we left he responded with

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probably not today is not the best day

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and ben and i show up like two doofuses

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right with a camera and a tiny ass

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microphone and we're like hey let's

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record and he was so nice to just roll

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you know and then

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we we didn't check the the phone we

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should have checked the phone we

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completely missed the message right so

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they were leaving we get home we're like

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man that was a lot of fun man we had a

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great time got all this cool footage and

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then we look at the phone and we're like

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damn we just went in there like two

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and didn't even realize it uh but man

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smiles showed us around he gave us a

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little tour this place was absolutely

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amazing dude i mean this was when we

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people who were kind of involved with

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the ufo community and stuff like that uh

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and and honestly that was probably one

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of the only things that we found locally

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here so we had to check it out man um

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i want to introduce y'all uh to this

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cool dude smiles let's bring them in

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smiles how you doing brother hey

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you're doing great brothers how y'all

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good man good good i'm super stoked to

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have you on tonight man i mean

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before we get into it give the people a

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little bit of of your background we

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don't really like to do bios we'd like

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to let the guest explain

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who they are themselves you know because

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you always do it better than we do it we

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all so much for that intro and and for

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that video i mean it yeah you you

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you actually refreshed my memory on some

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of the deets as far as the phone

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interaction and uh yeah i remember being

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who i think you can see in some of the

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background um but it turned out great i

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really i'm so thankful that y'all came

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and uh and did that video i thought it

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was a great video and i've gotten really

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good positive uh responses from folks i

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mean so many folks you know they hear

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about us and they're like what is it and

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i'm like well i try to describe it and i

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do my best and but you know it it

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it means a lot you know a picture is

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worth a thousand words man and you all

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had a lot of great pictures and and and

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uh jovial selves and it was just it was

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a hoot i really enjoyed it and i'm so

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glad it came together and and it was

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right before

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the whole world changed and uh thank you

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goodness thank goodness

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yeah you know y'all did that because i

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don't i wouldn't have i mean

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i've shot footage in my in the archive

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before uh at its previous location but

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yeah so um i like so many of us have had

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a lifelong interest in this i just from

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um just growing up on science fiction

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and and been exposed to science science

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fiction and and ufo stories um you know

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shows like that's incredible back in the

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day and you know these these tv shows

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that would do dramatizations of classic

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and old and new uh ufo encounters

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a proclivity for re remembering my

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dreams as a child and i also had a

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series of of my what i would describe as

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mild psychic experiences and so between

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the paranormal reality of your everyday

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dreams and science fiction and

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uh hearing about early ufo encounters

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and going to my public school library

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and devouring every book on loch ness on

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bigfoot on ufos and and

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fortiana and just strange phenomena um

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beginning um and

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you know that just led me down the path

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to where um come

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you know i was reading about psychic

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remote viewing when i was in high school

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in the late 80s and um

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boston public library right downtown and

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i every day i was processing the new

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magazines and newspapers that were

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and lo and behold there's this thing

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called the mufon ufo journal that i was

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processing and i'm like

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i mean i knew about it but like hey our

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local library has a subscription isn't

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that awesome and and uh so i'm like

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there's got to be a local chapter and so

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i you know this would have been uh

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pre-internet so i you know

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found found through the listings that

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there was a a local meeting

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uh group on a monthly basis and started

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attending those and

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and then this was like right at the the

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burgeoning the birth of the the

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abduction

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uh craze uh the the the you know the

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awakening of all these people who uh

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were reading communion or reading uh bud

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hopkins intruders and so uh pretty

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quickly a local abductee support group

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formed and even though i'm not an

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experiencer i started attending and

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because i was fascinated i still am

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fascinated by all these things

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and it just kind of went from there i

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then ended up starting my own

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zine uh my own little magazine using uh

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desktop publishing of the times um

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zines like uh this really cool i think i

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crash collusion uh crash collusion was

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this uh crazy scene about magic

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conspiracy psychedelics ufos just

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strange phenomena like one of my

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toad a psychedelic toad yeah the

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illustrations on those those covers were

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great stuff and uh the fellow who was

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publishing that uh we became fast

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friends and he was like well it's really

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computer here's how you do the desktop

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scene uh i only did like four issues uh

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it was already changing from you know uh

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this xeroxing and you know cobbling

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the freaking internet and you know so

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like by 94 95 it's like well i gotta i

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have to have a website for this thing

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you know and and then you know we're off

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to the races and it's a whole new world

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stages um i went on to i eventually

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ended up leading that local mufon group

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i ended up leading that local abductee

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support group when its leader moved away

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she got the call man like

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something told her go west and so uh she

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she was like you know we asked the uh

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the group members uh you know are you

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okay with a non-abductee leading the

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group and they all agreed and so i took

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it over for i was almost 10 years maybe

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and at its height it was that we were

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having like two two meetings a month

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at local you know uh meeting spaces

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2000 2001 uh the launch the then

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longest-running ufo conference the

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national ufo conference knew [\h__\h]

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uh was uh first in san antonio then it

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was in corpus christi and they never

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stayed in the same state it was always

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moving around but somehow two in a row

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and it's awesome and i gotta you know i

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get yeah well you

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know that's right

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so um we uh i was offered the

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opportunity to host it and i took that

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offer and uh it was gonna be three days

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and three nights of uh

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uh ufo lectures cryptozoology talks uh

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movies and music

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uh all at the original alamo drafthouse

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but as some of you already know the the

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the the sad twist in this story was

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you know when it was scheduled for

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the two before

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the world changed again

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and uh the terrible tragedy happened and

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all the planes were grounded so none of

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my speakers could get here not i

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couldn't get them from across the

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country couldn't get them from across

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the pond we had jenny randalls coming

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over from from england and robert anton

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wilson we were going to give him a

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lifetime achievement award

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and it all failed it all fell to [\h__\h]

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and

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um but you know um then

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then i went and

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did other things and within two years

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that's when i founded uh the non-profit

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501c3

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anomaly archive scientific anomaly

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institute so

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that's about the probably the most

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compressed version i can give

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i love it man i mean that gives us a

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good little round overview man i i mean

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when like i said man we were

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we had started this this show and and

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really you know it was always like ben

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and i would always just kind of be in

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the corner chit chatting about the stuff

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you know and and uh

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people would always ask us questions

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friends and family and stuff like that

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and it was just kind of a light topic

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but you know this this thing kind of

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started with like hey what if we just

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made some videos of ourselves chatting

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about it and uh and uh you know our

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friends and and and family you know they

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can see what we talk about if they're if

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they're ever interested and then you

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know didn't then we had 10 other people

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that weren't our friends and family and

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then we had you know 100 people that

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weren't our friends and family and then

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once we got we're out to like what like

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now 3 000 on on uh on youtube and and

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none of them are friends and family so

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that obviously fell through completely

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but uh this has come along pretty nice

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and you know as we were googling i think

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the most recent thing we saw was like a

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uh uh um

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it was a building top um ufo watch and

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it was like from 2011

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and then the next thing that popped up

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was was was anomaly archives i started

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looking at it and i was like

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what the hell i i've driven by that a

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million times but i just thought it was

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like some government building that i

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remember looking at it like on on google

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maps and like i know that building dude

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i have been past that building always

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wondering what is in there like i know

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like i remember like parking over in

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that area trying to walk over to rainey

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yeah it like

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i would always wonder like man that's a

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cool looking building like what's in

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there i was always drawn to it for some

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reason

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and then we didn't know what was going

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on because we didn't realize that you

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know there was multiple things in that

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building and you had to have a key to

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get in and we were like omni archives

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man they got to let you in they got

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bodies in there

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so we got there yeah i didn't show you

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that room

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didn't see the bodies but man one of the

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coolest things like before you even walk

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into you know the

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before you walked into the room it said

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anomaly archives scientific anomaly

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institute and right underneath of it it

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said institute for neuroscience and

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consciousness studies

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like

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we go hook me up here we go

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we're in the right place yeah you showed

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us y'all's little trophy and all that

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neat stuff dude

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yeah yeah uh and thank you for

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mentioning that of that other non-profit

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inax inacs institute for neuroscience

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and consciousness studies um uh they're

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another non-profit that i've been

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involved with for many many years and um

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they actually i was i was a member of

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their organization before forming uh uh

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my own and um you know it's

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it's like

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we couldn't have done it without them

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and with with the help of other

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non-profits here in austin there's

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there's been so much uh help from from

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that community uh that what we

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refer to as the consciousness community

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you know here in austin you know so i'm

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trying to trying to raise each other up

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so

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about this consciousness community in

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austin because like when

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like this consciousness thing is so new

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to me like this past year like very

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recent and it has been a freaking roller

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coaster so like you're telling me

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there's a group of people that that

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study this or like or or is it like do

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do you all get together and and just

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talk ideas

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so

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they're um you know you may be familiar

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with ions uh edgar mitchell's

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organization the institute of noetic

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science headquartered out of california

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but they have local chapters

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there's been um

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an austin chapter for a long long time

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you know so much has changed in these

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last two or three years due to the

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pandemic and just the the the rapid

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growth here in austin but yeah um so

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those are some of the organizations

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again that i first met and that that

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were like my peeps you know they like

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are all interested in all this stuff you

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know from just more quote unquote new

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agey uh you know paradigm shifting

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consciousness type type stuff whether it

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be out of body experiences

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parapsychology sci phenomena or or just

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you know

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spiritual uh ideas about the nature of

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consciousness the soul and the afterlife

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or reincarnation uh you know all those

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areas are

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so uh intriguing and uh there have been

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you know austin being austin there's

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been a long tradition of people looking

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into that and so austin ions and inax

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and the human potential center

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these are all local groups that that

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have been part of my my community of

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friends and

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where they would have

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monthly meetings of uh you know try to

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bring in speakers and lectures and uh

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you never knew what it was going to be

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about

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if folks are really interested in that

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inax has a great youtube channel with a

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lot of their videos of of past events uh

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on all these subjects from uh joseph

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campbell talking about the big toe toe

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theory of everything uh to uh

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people who've had near-death experiences

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and had a trans transformative

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experience that's that's

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caused them to have an awakening whether

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it be just suddenly having psychic

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experiences or

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uh seeing auras or the whole gamut of of

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weird awesome strange intriguing stuff

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um

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so yeah the it's in the informally

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referred to as the austin consciousness

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community um but there's little pockets

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of them everywhere um they're still

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around here and there it's been it's

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been harder though now i mean

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um i know the the person who took over

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the ions group um mostly started

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coordinating with the the national group

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and like when they would do their free

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like zoom lectures they would promote

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those but but previously they were you

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know having having physical in-person

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events

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um

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most of which are like i say videotaped

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and online videotaped recorded

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digitally

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yes yes dude yeah man i mean

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you know ben and i came visited anomaly

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archives absolutely fell in love then we

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had a conference we had to go to

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and when we got back from the conference

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you know it was like

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hey when we get back we gotta go back to

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the nominee archives

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so we can go rent some books right even

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though i previously said it we're not

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very good readers um we've gotten pretty

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good at after doing this there's a lot

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of documents and [\h__\h] you gotta read so

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you better get good at it if you wanna

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do some research right so uh man we were

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so stoked and then

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as we stated the world changed a little

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bit and we're like god damn it

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now now we gotta wait and you know we're

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like i can't wait for this two weeks to

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be up so we're gonna go back

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and then two years later here we are man

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you know um give us

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kind of a

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because i'm gonna lighten this up here

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in a little bit but right now what is

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what is the status of anomaly archives

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what what

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because

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ben and i started this thing where we

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want to pick somebody to to help out you

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know at some point in the community and

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dude like yours was the first thing to

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pop in our head because we were like

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there's so many resources and just

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knowledge and that tiny little building

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that i you know i i could literally go

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in there and probably learn more than i

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could just on the internet looking for

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myself you know um so where do you guys

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stand right now you know

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well it's it's tough to talk about but

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um and uh

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yeah it's it's been a an emotional

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roller coaster um so

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yeah um i i know that y'all were so

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generous and and donated when we did our

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emergency fundraiser

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at the end of 2020 um that was at the

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point at which

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we knew our lease our three-year lease

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was coming up for that space and really

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that space as you all have implied it it

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was it was so awesome and perfect for us

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we had really gotten to that next level

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things were really we were starting to

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get some momentum and uh things were

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really coming together

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and so we

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uh in the hopes of of

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renewing that lease we were trying to

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raise our annual budget which was uh for

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that space was just a measly twenty

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thousand dollars that and like fifteen

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grand of which was rent and then five

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thousand for operating expenses i mean

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that's unheard of that's no paid staff

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there's never have been any paid staff

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there's no skimming off the top or

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anything like that it's just

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money to to pay the rent to have the

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space and uh and what a space it was it

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i didn't you'd never even you didn't get

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to even see the uh the event space there

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were meeting rooms but anyway and the

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with the yeah embryos in it and the

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tesla

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arcing electrical culture

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the stargate yeah yeah

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um so

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but the long story short we lost the

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lease the the organization uh that owns

555
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,280
the building is a non-profit they too

556
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,280
were suffering terribly from from the

557
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,640
pandemic

558
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,039
and as much as they as much as they

559
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,440
could use the help in terms of income

560
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,919
they were looking to to bring in other

561
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,000
uh staff from other facilities to

562
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,559
consolidate there and so they needed the

563
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,480
space and they decided not to renew with

564
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:22,320
us and that was right at the end of our

565
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,520
fundraiser

566
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,000
um so we raised just over half of our

567
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,559
goal so around 11 000

568
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,919
um and we then that's when we became

569
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:33,120
homeless and they were you know very

570
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,320
nice they worked with us they didn't

571
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,880
kick us out so they gave us enough time

572
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,840
to

573
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,559
uh pack up and move but we had no place

574
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,120
to move to so we had to

575
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,440
right after the snowpocalypse

576
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,760
of 2021

577
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:50,320
that's when we packed up everything and

578
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:51,200
put it

579
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,480
into storage and it has been in storage

580
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,200
for just over a year now the anniversary

581
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,400
sad as it is

582
00:22:03,270 --> 00:21:59,679
last month

583
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,280
um and what it really comes down to is

584
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,000
um you know how needing needing a

585
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,640
recurring source of income and that's

586
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,280
that's really hard to do um without like

587
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,480
some kind of

588
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,440
um benefactor you know somebody who can

589
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:17,919
really uh uh have you know put down some

590
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,039
some significant funds uh or working our

591
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,960
butts off to try to do like events and

592
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,960
such which is great

593
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,880
um but that the whole point of the

594
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,039
organization is the preservation of

595
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,720
these materials and that requires a

596
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,120
physical space and

597
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,360
uh and then public education so that's

598
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,679
the event part of it you know is is like

599
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,960
telling people about what's in the

600
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,200
collection and you know what the you

601
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,039
know what does this stuff mean

602
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,360
uh and i think it means a lot i think it

603
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,960
means the world i think it means you

604
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,960
know so much the the all the things that

605
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,799
people are looking at these

606
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,360
uh types of subjects for uh they you

607
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:54,960
know i'm not sure if the answers are in

608
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,679
the archive but they probably are

609
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:58,960
um

610
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,520
so the status is we are still in in

611
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,000
storage and um

612
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,919
we're just not really sure where we're

613
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,240
going at this point we've we've uh you

614
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,480
know like like you hard-working guys

615
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,640
were telling me uh you know you work

616
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,200
your day job and uh this is you know a

617
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,360
passion and you do it and you do it as

618
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,520
much as you can but it's

619
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:22,240
it ain't the day job sadly i wish it was

620
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:26,320
right um yeah so we are really just uh

621
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,960
looking to try to to uh create a a

622
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,880
system where we can can have some

623
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,039
regular dependable income so that we can

624
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,840
afford uh something some modest amount

625
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,320
of space you know um the space we were

626
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,799
in was that that big main room was about

627
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,360
800 square feet and then uh with the

628
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,640
other two rooms that y'all saw that

629
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,799
y'all toured that was about a total of

630
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,679
about 1200 square feet and

631
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,640
the the the rent for that was basically

632
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,200
right around 1100 to 1500

633
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,520
a month but that was

634
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,760
a sweetheart deal from a non-profit that

635
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,640
liked to help non-profits and uh as you

636
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,480
guys know living here with me here in

637
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,080
this town

638
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:09,919
nothing's getting cheaper

639
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,440
definitely not man definitely not uh

640
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,799
yeah that's man it and that's so tough

641
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,200
especially when

642
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:21,679
oh it's just like

643
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,880
when you when you think about like

644
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,480
when you just think about certain things

645
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,320
like i don't know

646
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,880
shitty example library of alexandria

647
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,120
gone all the knowledge that was in that

648
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,440
thing where did it go you know like

649
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,600
that's probably not a shitty example

650
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,120
but a great example that's how i felt

651
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,880
when i walked into that place i know it

652
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,640
was like i

653
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,120
was like everybody like

654
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,640
just listening i mean everybody on

655
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,159
youtube as well but like

656
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,840
when you walked into this place you saw

657
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:52,080
rows and rows it felt like they went on

658
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,880
for miles that's my memory anyway right

659
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,720
of like new books

660
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,080
uh medium

661
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,600
new all books and then like really old

662
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,400
books that were made out of like papyrus

663
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,880
and like bull skin and [\h__\h] like dude it

664
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:08,000
was

665
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,279
yeah like some of that stuff should have

666
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,520
been in the vatican man like you look at

667
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,000
it and it just flakes

668
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,840
you're like wow

669
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:18,240
that's crazy yeah then focus pocus books

670
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:19,360
in there

671
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:22,400
that's the one yes the only eyeball

672
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:25,760
yeah that blinks at you yep yeah yeah uh

673
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,480
we

674
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:28,720
the old summer of our oldest books are

675
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,960
are rarest from the 1600s

676
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:33,919
and then

677
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:36,640
yeah but mint condition first editions

678
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,320
of classic ufo contact ebooks

679
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,039
books on rare books on atlantis and

680
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,880
ancient civilizations

681
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:47,440
and lots of stuff on parapsychology

682
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,320
whether it be out-of-body experiences or

683
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,440
psychic remote viewing or classic esp

684
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:56,000
experiments and the gansfeld experiments

685
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:56,880
and

686
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,159
we have it needs to be available it

687
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,480
absolutely needs to be available again

688
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,960
and it it you know again not to

689
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,360
not to be too modeling but i mean it

690
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,159
breaks my heart because it it it has had

691
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,600
a home since we formed it in 2003.

692
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:16,720
you know

693
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,400
these books uh that i was

694
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,559
buying and collecting and and getting

695
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,919
donated from friends who are like well

696
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,159
here i know you're into this stuff

697
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,600
faster than i could read it and that

698
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,400
moment you know hit me when it's like

699
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,039
this this is just sitting you know

700
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,039
collecting dust it should be made

701
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:39,039
available to other people and

702
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,039
uh and that's when and i'd had the you

703
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,360
know the desire uh and the inspiration

704
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,080
for a long time uh you know there's the

705
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:48,480
the biggest archive like this in the

706
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,520
world

707
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:52,640
is amazing but it's in sweden uh that's

708
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,840
the archives for the unexplained afc

709
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,480
previously the archives for ufo research

710
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,360
and um yeah here's

711
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,679
a book about that that archive right

712
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,320
here it's awesome cool

713
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,480
and it's author i i just met at this

714
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,080
conference this past weekend that was

715
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,840
for another archive

716
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,840
so um uh all of which is very

717
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,320
bittersweet but uh it's it's it's great

718
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,640
to know that there are these things out

719
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,039
there and and they're hopefully they're

720
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,399
if we have anything to do with it there

721
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,960
will be again here in austin so yeah

722
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,440
because god's bless rice university

723
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:28,880
houston texas are we going to let them

724
00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:35,110
man

725
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:37,880
yeah we had a talk to

726
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,159
joanna ayton kerr she was the head

727
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,440
archivist uh yeah up in canada they they

728
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,960
had received

729
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,080
all the uh uh stan friedman stuff

730
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,399
sam friedman stuff and and she was on

731
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,320
the show and she was just man the stuff

732
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,480
that must be in that library is is has

733
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,200
got to be fascinating on top of that now

734
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,600
they have all stan friedman stuff like

735
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,360
she was just talking about it and it was

736
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,840
like well what a cool thing right you

737
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,679
know like you walk into his house you

738
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,360
pack all this [\h__\h] up you bring it in a

739
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,120
big truck and you open it up and it's

740
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,520
like christmas every day you know sure

741
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,039
i'm sure it's a lot of work but like

742
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,120
that's gotta be so fascinating yeah to

743
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,880
just sit there and look through and skim

744
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,320
through and

745
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,799
oh what's this weird vial full of dust

746
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,120
you know like what is this strange metal

747
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,679
i found in a envelope like what like

748
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,240
that's gotta be incredible man so that

749
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,159
was uh um

750
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,679
for the for the fundraiser the

751
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,640
streamathon that we did in 2020 uh i had

752
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,159
approached them and actually i think i

753
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:40,159
was after seeing y'all's interview and i

754
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,120
was like

755
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,919
she's obviously you know approachable uh

756
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,760
and and i think y'all are one of the few

757
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,080
people who've ever interviewed her um

758
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,080
and so i reached out to them and and

759
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,760
told them our predicament and said but

760
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,679
you know hey i know y'all are doing this

761
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,360
good work and i want to support you all

762
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,600
so if y'all want to you know submit a

763
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:00,240
video so they they made a video

764
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:02,960
showing the the how they're preserving

765
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,520
his material and we got to show it uh

766
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,840
live during our fundraiser on on and so

767
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,440
you can go to the anomaly archives

768
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,039
youtube channel and there's a video

769
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,399
there that that shows

770
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,240
shows them doing that and

771
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,630
uh institutions that you know are are

772
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,000
archiving this kind of material but

773
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,080
they're not devoted to the subject i

774
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,159
mean they're they're right you know a

775
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,559
mainstream university that like

776
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,640
you know he had a connection

777
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,399
to the to that university and that's

778
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,000
what you find you can also go to the

779
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,679
anomaly archives website and look for

780
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,440
other archives and we have a web page

781
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,559
that's a directory of uh all the ones

782
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,720
i'm aware of i'm constantly getting new

783
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,159
information but

784
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,760
uh there are so many

785
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,600
uh of these collections whether it's you

786
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,399
know jaylen heineck or james mcdonald or

787
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:52,720
these other uh people you know each each

788
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,919
of their uh archives tend to end up in

789
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:57,919
some kind of university libraries

790
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,279
university archive um

791
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,000
and uh yeah we we love to get donations

792
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:06,640
uh that's that's what keeps us going and

793
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,159
um but yeah so this uh

794
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,440
afu in sweden is the biggest uh and then

795
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,200
now there's this new one over at rice

796
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,880
university which is where i was this

797
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:19,120
weekend and um

798
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,919
that was another one of these like uh

799
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,520
the same probably it's probably the same

800
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,440
week that y'all came and visited and did

801
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,799
that video

802
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:28,960
in just in the months before i had kind

803
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:32,399
of pieced together from seeing um

804
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,679
the ufo podcast is it martin

805
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,320
forgetting his name but that uh he has a

806
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:39,919
a a youtube

807
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,399
uh uh ufo show

808
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,200
he had on professor diana pasulka and in

809
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,520
the midst of her uh discussion she kind

810
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,200
of mentioned about how she'd acquired an

811
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,279
archive from another researcher and

812
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,760
traded it traded hands a few times and

813
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,760
ultimately she gave it to

814
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,840
jeff kreipel at rice university and i

815
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,240
was like what what huh

816
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,200
and and then i found a direct a canadian

817
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,440
uh organization that has a directory of

818
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,279
similar archives and sure enough there

819
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,399
was the the the rice university archive

820
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,960
and it said oh here's the boxes of the

821
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:15,039
the communion letters for that whitley

822
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,320
strieber has donated and here's the

823
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,799
boxes that jacques valet has donated and

824
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,360
i'm just like my jaw just hit the floor

825
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,640
man

826
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,600
i'm like immediately so freaking jealous

827
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,600
and also just like well thank god this

828
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,720
is finally happening and it's it's rice

829
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,200
university in houston okay

830
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,679
uh but yeah with it like that same month

831
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,279
that y'all came and visited within

832
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,960
probably the same week i got an email

833
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,039
from them because i'd reached out to um

834
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,039
the folks at this rice

835
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,519
archive the archives of the impossible

836
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:47,440
as it's called

837
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,320
and

838
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,320
um they said hey we're going to be doing

839
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,039
this big opening event in october

840
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,399
2020 would you like to be there and on a

841
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,799
panel talking about similar archives and

842
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:01,519
i'm like hell yeah you know i want to

843
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,120
uh so uh we uh i i said yes and that all

844
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,360
uh uh started the wheel started turning

845
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,519
but then of course like we said man uh

846
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,480
covet and the world changed and

847
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,039
yeah it got delayed and delayed and

848
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:17,919
delayed and then it just finally

849
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:20,880
happened this past weekend march uh what

850
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,360
sixth through eighth man and dude um

851
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,960
i you know

852
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,720
people when people

853
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,399
people come out of the woodwork

854
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,080
i'm sure you y'all have experienced this

855
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,960
like ever since december 2017

856
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:35,840
uh

857
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,960
these revelations about the pentagon and

858
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,559
louis elizondo

859
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,799
uh and you know of course thank you tom

860
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,720
delong um

861
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,720
i have plenty more to say about that but

862
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,640
just oh that's the nice thing i'll say

863
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:53,919
thank you

864
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:54,840
um

865
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,000
but uh it's been a sea change it's it's

866
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,840
clearly a sea change in the way the

867
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:02,559
mainstream media and the mains and the

868
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,840
the public at large uh perceive this you

869
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,000
know oh that silly subject you know now

870
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,919
it's got some kind of air of legitimacy

871
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:11,760
because of it's got the stamp of the

872
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,669
but i got a lot of issues with that but

873
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,600
you know anyway i'm like literally

874
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,240
holding your breath yeah i think a lot

875
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,880
of us do holding my tongue but you know

876
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,760
um

877
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:27,760
lou seems like such a great guy

878
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,960
so um but there's also been quietly

879
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:32,960
going on in the background a sea change

880
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:35,760
in academia and you know everybody

881
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,720
laments that like uh you know colleges

882
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,320
and universities and

883
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,080
academics and science

884
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,320
have never taken this seriously well

885
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,159
you know we know that they've there's

886
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:47,840
always been pockets of people taking

887
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,120
this stuff seriously um and usually in

888
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,679
in secret yes exactly as as dinah

889
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,120
pasulka and others have said and as

890
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,039
jacques villa's book is called

891
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,120
there's been invisible colleges there

892
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,279
have been people who've networked who

893
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,000
are in these academic areas who have

894
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,679
done this stuff in secret because there

895
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:07,840
was the ridicule factor the the laughter

896
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,399
curtain and uh all those things that

897
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,560
keep experiencers from talking about

898
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,200
their their their strange experiences

899
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:16,480
and

900
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,679
um you know i mean it's it's really

901
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,320
changed the landscape and

902
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,480
like i say there is also this sea change

903
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,280
happening in academia and this as i i've

904
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,040
described to some people this event this

905
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:31,280
past weekend was the shot across the bow

906
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,720
of academe

907
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,320
i don't know if you know if it's gonna

908
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:36,800
have any significant impact but i hope

909
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:39,760
so because it's it's long overdue

910
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,599
and um you know there are so many

911
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,879
good people doing research and uh trying

912
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:48,480
to get this thing

913
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,560
uh moved forward um and

914
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,119
it's it's really exciting to me um it

915
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,639
you know this event this past weekend

916
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,800
was nothing like a traditional ufo

917
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,240
conference and that's good and bad you

918
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,960
know i i have as all like i say i have

919
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,040
uh feelings on both sides of the issue

920
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,560
you know i i i love the ufo circus tent

921
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,280
and i hate the ufo circus tent you know

922
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,839
yeah i i want legitimacy in science and

923
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:14,720
i

924
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:17,760
know

925
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,760
at classic ufo conferences when you've

926
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,440
got people

927
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,599
describing these often horrific and

928
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:27,520
traumatic experiences or these

929
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,839
life-changing

930
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,760
sightings um and you know these these

931
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,200
really

932
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,200
intense things and then over in the

933
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,359
dealer's room you can get your ufo belt

934
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,359
buckle and you can get your alien

935
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:41,839
abduction chocolates and your you know

936
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,599
it's like your blob dolls

937
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:47,119
you've got a few back there they're

938
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,760
literally blow ups i do i i set up a i

939
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,160
set up a giant ufo in my front yard and

940
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:53,839
these guys were just walking around for

941
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:56,720
halloween and then i left it up for for

942
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,150
thanksgiving i put little headbands with

943
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,720
with the feathers in them and so then

944
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,320
they were they were indians and i had

945
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,079
like this little turkey i made and i put

946
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,079
it out there it's like a gathering and

947
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,400
then and then i put elf hats and a santa

948
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,200
hat on them and that was you know so it

949
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,280
it was a very good investment it lasted

950
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:21,680
me multiple holidays and uh i'm not

951
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,599
disappointed in it my wife on the other

952
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:26,160
hand i mean she had you know she was

953
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,280
like how long are you to keep that up i

954
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,880
was like i don't know you know say

955
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,640
paddy's day is coming up next

956
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,160
they're all gonna have whiskey bottles

957
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,680
she was like take that [\h__\h] out of the

958
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:36,720
front yard it's been up for months

959
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,400
you win you win

960
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:42,000
uh yeah

961
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,760
yeah this is good stuff dude yeah i i uh

962
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,440
you know one of our first conferences

963
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:49,839
that we went to we were like man

964
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,640
the shift from the conference room to

965
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,280
the hallway is completely different

966
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,240
it's just it's way different you know

967
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,320
everybody's having a good time they're

968
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,240
joking they're selling their little blow

969
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,480
up dolls and stuff and then yeah on the

970
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,880
inside people are like

971
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,200
yeah like this crazy [\h__\h] happened to me

972
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,800
and i don't know how to explain it

973
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,240
that's why i'm here in this room because

974
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,240
it's the only place i feel safe

975
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,920
there's a there's a certain percentage

976
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:17,680
of people walking through those hallways

977
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,720
and walking through the the trade room

978
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,800
like still traumatized and don't know

979
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,440
who to talk to yeah it's just so the

980
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,880
juxtaposition is jarring it like i can i

981
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,280
could feel it dude and

982
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,880
that was one thing like when we started

983
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,280
doing this podcast we had no idea about

984
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,359
literally any of this stuff

985
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,920
we just like love talking about aliens

986
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,920
but that that is what been one of the

987
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,680
most interesting things too like how

988
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,440
what's the balance between like having

989
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,000
fun with it making fun with it

990
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,800
making fun of it having

991
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,960
like there's there's so many it's so

992
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,920
delicate

993
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,079
the the thing that made us feel

994
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,560
okay kind of about what we do is

995
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,960
we we've talked to a lot of experiencers

996
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,200
at this point you know like a lot

997
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,280
because that really became our main

998
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,880
focus we were like

999
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,960
we just like to talk about ufos and then

1000
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,880
as we dove into it we're like man this

1001
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:11,839
is

1002
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,240
really became the main focus um for ben

1003
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,320
and i it's it's the thing that we we

1004
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,720
hone in on the most the rest of it is

1005
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,720
all kind of

1006
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,960
he said she said i have this you have

1007
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,200
that whatever but like sitting down and

1008
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,440
listening to somebody tell

1009
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,680
their experience that happened to them

1010
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:36,000
in their own words and the just the look

1011
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,359
on their face you know

1012
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,440
the the thing about that is you know

1013
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,280
they say

1014
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,880
you know we love you guys because at

1015
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,119
some point you have to have some kind of

1016
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,359
sense of humor about this otherwise

1017
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,040
you're going to lose it and yeah you

1018
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,800
know because ben and i were on the the

1019
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,720
teetering block of like [\h__\h] are we

1020
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,560
should we even do this

1021
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,920
and then we started getting a lot of

1022
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,760
love just like from people who have

1023
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,520
actually experienced this and we're like

1024
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,599
you guys are fine i'm so comfortable on

1025
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,079
your show thank you for not just

1026
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,560
just you know aiming at my head you know

1027
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,400
through a scope every time i come on

1028
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,320
your show and it's like

1029
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,160
thank you man you know it

1030
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,280
made us feel good it's yeah and and you

1031
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:16,720
you've

1032
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,599
it is it is a tight rope for people who

1033
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,000
are seeking like yourselves

1034
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,079
because

1035
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,240
it's it's like the whole uh medical

1036
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,800
profession do no harm first of all i

1037
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,760
mean these are people and they deserve

1038
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,560
respect and like everyone does but i

1039
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,640
mean especially folks who've had

1040
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,960
experiences that often leave them

1041
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:40,160
with uh

1042
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,000
the phrase shattered reality you know um

1043
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,839
and that's

1044
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,520
and it's really it's all about them i

1045
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,440
mean you know oh we got radar traces oh

1046
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:51,359
we got you know soil samples or whatever

1047
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,320
you know

1048
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,119
physical evidence uh

1049
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,839
it mostly comes down to stories and and

1050
00:40:04,710 --> 00:39:59,760
and i don't i mean no disrespect with

1051
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,870
we're living this is this is i'm going

1052
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,480
to go back to jeff kreipel at rice

1053
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:11,839
university we we are living in stories

1054
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:14,400
our lives our stories we are each living

1055
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:15,359
myths

1056
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,040
of our our uh socio-economic class and

1057
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,280
our gender and our uh

1058
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,920
uh ethnicity and where we were born on

1059
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,760
the planet but

1060
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,240
uh this it's it's the stories that

1061
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:33,119
inform how we interact with others and

1062
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,319
um

1063
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,800
these these anomalous stories just they

1064
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:38,800
they they

1065
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,880
intimate so much more than traditional

1066
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:45,200
boring reality the thing that's drilled

1067
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,240
into us

1068
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:48,000
the the imagination that's drilled out

1069
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:48,880
of us

1070
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,839
um they're they they so much point to

1071
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,640
the the meaning of life

1072
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,319
and

1073
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,560
i'm really curious to see i i've been

1074
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:00,319
very intrigued by your efforts with your

1075
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,880
documentary and and i you know the

1076
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,680
the the the experiencers the abductees

1077
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,520
the contactees they've all been

1078
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:12,480
ridiculed so harshly they've all

1079
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,839
uh you know endured so much

1080
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:17,200
and

1081
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,480
know this is one of the reasons why you

1082
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,200
know i i i mentioned i mentioned that i

1083
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:27,440
was involved with mufon and at some

1084
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,480
point

1085
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,720
before any of the scandals

1086
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,720
i would be quick to mention even

1087
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:34,400
happened i was like

1088
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:35,440
you know

1089
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,400
there

1090
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,880
mufon's i met some great people and i

1091
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:41,200
had great uh interactions we had great

1092
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,839
meetings but it just didn't

1093
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,800
fulfill what i was really looking for

1094
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,560
other than bringing me into contact with

1095
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:50,560
other people seeking these answers

1096
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,359
and and now i mean the the some of the

1097
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,240
scandals that uh have occurred with it

1098
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,560
um not least of which was you know like

1099
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,280
bob bigelow big bucks bigelow

1100
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:04,000
you know god bless him uh

1101
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,119
buying

1102
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,599
abductee files from john carpenter not

1103
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:09,680
the film director but the hypnotherapist

1104
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,400
that was working for mufon and without

1105
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,200
the permission of his patients the

1106
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,480
abductees i mean that is was a

1107
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,480
huge scandal

1108
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,160
you know and and then you've got you

1109
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,000
know uh historian turned hypnotherapist

1110
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:28,880
abduction researcher david jacobs david

1111
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,880
jacobs wrote the only historical uh book

1112
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,680
on

1113
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,680
the ufo phenomena but that was back in

1114
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,000
the 70s when he was sticking in his

1115
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:40,560
wheelhouse but like so many he got into

1116
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:43,839
hypnotherapy and started doing things

1117
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:47,040
that i will not go into but that are

1118
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,880
um very very wrong and um not something

1119
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:53,520
i would ever recommend a an abductee

1120
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,640
undergo

1121
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,560
um but

1122
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,240
but then you know there are so many good

1123
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,800
people who are trying to help people um

1124
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,240
but yeah it's all about the experience

1125
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:04,000
so how is that documentary going by the

1126
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,880
way

1127
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,200
nice segue dude

1128
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,640
i have so much to say about that but

1129
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:09,920
it's like [\h__\h]

1130
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,520
i know we're limited on time but like uh

1131
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:16,000
yeah on the mufon thing but but that is

1132
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,359
so cool i just want to say real quick

1133
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,640
that's so cool that you were in the the

1134
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,240
the community and

1135
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,160
of mufon at

1136
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,960
a time that served you well and it it

1137
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:29,119
was it was great for for your experience

1138
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,160
and

1139
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:32,000
just like anything else like if it

1140
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,280
serves you

1141
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,440
stay with it if it's not just you know

1142
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,480
maybe it's

1143
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,920
not for you at this time and you just

1144
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,880
move on

1145
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,280
uh so i think that's really uh uh

1146
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:43,839
interesting i love that um but yeah the

1147
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,640
the documentary we found an editor you

1148
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,520
guys

1149
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,920
it's about to get putting fast forward

1150
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,560
man like yeah if anybody's like

1151
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,119
unfamiliar with like how ed editing

1152
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:57,040
works with documentaries and movies and

1153
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,240
stuff like

1154
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,200
uh it's hard

1155
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:03,040
it's like really hard like you gotta get

1156
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,240
somebody that knows what they're doing

1157
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,240
like a professional

1158
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,599
yeah

1159
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,599
ben and i don't know anything about

1160
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,359
making document like it was literally

1161
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,280
like an accident that just fell into our

1162
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,800
lap and it was originally supposed to

1163
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,119
just be an all audio recording because

1164
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,960
we can do that you know that's easy you

1165
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,640
know and then and then it turned into

1166
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,560
like well maybe we can get some good

1167
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:25,280
footage like we did with smiles at the

1168
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,720
you know at the anomaly arc i would just

1169
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,640
take our iphones right like like a three

1170
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,560
minute video would be great yeah and

1171
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:32,960
then and then uh ben worked with a guy

1172
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,880
who who you know is really good at uh

1173
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,720
filming um he's a professional that's

1174
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,960
what he does for a living um and he was

1175
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,720
like let's put this on the big camera

1176
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:44,160
and we're like

1177
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,200
okay

1178
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,880
and then we got to the editing part and

1179
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,240
we're like holy [\h__\h] this is gonna take

1180
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,440
us like five years we don't know

1181
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,440
anything about this but you know it was

1182
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,440
one of those things man where like you

1183
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,880
know there's things in life dude where

1184
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,880
you either just do them or you don't and

1185
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,240
this was one of those things that we

1186
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,240
thought let's swing for the fences man

1187
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,400
why not we've never done this you know

1188
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,560
yeah let's try it i will never in my

1189
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,680
life be able to say i've made a

1190
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,079
documentary you know let's try it let's

1191
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,119
give it a shot and see what happens so

1192
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,119
yeah and it seems to be going pretty

1193
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,079
awesome i mean the editor seems happy um

1194
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,599
we're pretty happy with a lot of the

1195
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,240
footage and like interviews and stuff so

1196
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,400
it's good man and and again this whole

1197
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,640
thing like even the documentary like

1198
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,920
yeah we're

1199
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,280
we filmed it and we're putting it

1200
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,800
together but that's this is another

1201
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,359
thing we're like it's not it's not about

1202
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,680
us the documentary isn't about us we

1203
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,599
don't want this to be

1204
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,280
about us obviously our names on it

1205
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,040
because we helped put it together but

1206
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,200
you know eric mitchell's story other

1207
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,160
experiences you know that's that's what

1208
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,640
it's about it's it's it's a documentary

1209
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,280
letting people know that if they've ever

1210
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,119
experienced anything like this and they

1211
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,880
don't know where to turn or who to talk

1212
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,599
to hey man you're not alone right that's

1213
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,280
the main message you're just you're not

1214
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,280
alone there are other people out there

1215
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,440
whether you believe it or you don't or

1216
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,520
you think the documentary is total [\h__\h]

1217
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:05,200
the main message that we're trying to

1218
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,640
get over is dude you're not alone yeah

1219
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:10,560
you know and i that's that's really

1220
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,400
noble too and like i said this

1221
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,480
with i mean with without the

1222
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,520
experiencers what do we got we got

1223
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,839
sightings of distant lights

1224
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,920
maybe some ending traces

1225
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,599
all which you know okay that's

1226
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,200
interesting you know

1227
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,839
but and it really it gets to the heart

1228
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,760
of the birth of the modern era and this

1229
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,800
transition to the where we are now like

1230
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,880
there is really these interesting

1231
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,800
seemingly discreet

1232
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,520
uh uh series of steps

1233
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,079
and i you know i'm not when anything i

1234
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,680
say you know it is not definitive i

1235
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:48,400
don't have the answer um i i just i'm

1236
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,760
pointing out stuff that's probably been

1237
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,839
pointed out by others before but like

1238
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,960
you know with the modern era you know

1239
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,200
starting with if you do the classic

1240
00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:59,280
start with uh kenneth arnold and in his

1241
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,800
sighting and the the roswell crash

1242
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,800
and i would say crashes seem to be the

1243
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,640
the out of the ordinary even though they

1244
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,319
were falling out of the skies as we as

1245
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:09,440
we know

1246
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,560
but but it seems it crashes seem really

1247
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,000
different than than the rest of the

1248
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,680
phenomena though i may be changing my

1249
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:17,680
mind on that thanks to valet's latest

1250
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,480
book

1251
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,599
oh yeah

1252
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,520
the trinity the one that got so

1253
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,760
controversial because of his uh piling

1254
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,040
up with uh

1255
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,520
paulo harris but um

1256
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,119
but like that whole progression of like

1257
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,240
oh you know

1258
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,319
distant siding of lights oh wait they're

1259
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,920
closer this time oh wait they're

1260
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,520
interfering with our car

1261
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,599
you know the radio's going crazy the car

1262
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:38,960
stalls and

1263
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,520
then the landings and then the occupants

1264
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,920
and then we're off to the races and it's

1265
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,000
you know contact city with the with the

1266
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,559
contactees and

1267
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,160
very shortly thereafter and actually

1268
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,680
kind of overlapping

1269
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,440
but we didn't know for like years or a

1270
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:57,200
decade later

1271
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,640
abductions

1272
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,400
close encounters of the third fourth

1273
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,960
fifth and however high you want to go

1274
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,319
uh kind

1275
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,079
yeah yeah man there's a lot there's

1276
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:09,520
there's so many

1277
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,599
uh one of the biggest people that turned

1278
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,160
me on uh to a lot of a lot of just

1279
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,359
different stuff is is a michael schratt

1280
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,920
i mean that dude you know sat through

1281
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:24,160
and just thumbed through the old uh

1282
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,200
kufos records you know he was like yeah

1283
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,720
it was it's out there it was out there

1284
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,520
in chicago at the time i went in

1285
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,880
i was like hey can i see those and they

1286
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,960
were like yeah sure go for it and he was

1287
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,559
like it was surprising because there was

1288
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,800
all this free information thousands and

1289
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,119
thousands of documents and i just sat

1290
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,640
there by myself

1291
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,400
every time and just thumbed through them

1292
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,040
and made copies of whatever i wanted and

1293
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:49,440
one day it was just no more you couldn't

1294
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:52,720
do that anymore you know

1295
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:53,440
so

1296
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:54,240
he's

1297
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,839
our archive and uh um we let him do

1298
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440
exactly that

1299
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,599
yeah yeah he loves doing that he just

1300
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,400
released uh uh uh well he had given us a

1301
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,520
copy a while back dark files um yeah the

1302
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,280
new thing that he just released and he's

1303
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,000
been very he's usually not very active i

1304
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,599
mean the guy is very timid he's very

1305
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,720
humble he's a super awesome smart nice

1306
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,440
dude um and but recently man he's been

1307
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,599
like pumping out some new youtube videos

1308
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,920
and like kind of compiling all this now

1309
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,160
that his book is out he's talking about

1310
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,079
it and he's been very vocal lately and

1311
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,400
i'm so excited to hear that because

1312
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,040
that dude is is uh is is eight plus in

1313
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,599
my book yeah i love that guy you know

1314
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,640
i i had the exact same experience um he

1315
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,640
reached out to us and

1316
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,480
uh said hey i'm going to be in austin

1317
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,720
for a day job really the gig could i

1318
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,720
come and

1319
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,480
see what i can find and i'm like hell

1320
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,520
yeah come on by so yeah

1321
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,359
i took some time off for my day job to

1322
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,160
open it up for him and uh there you know

1323
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,760
he he went through and

1324
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:02,400
um you know that's that's the kind of

1325
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:03,760
thing it's there for

1326
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,000
and uh so it was so gratifying to have

1327
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,720
somebody uh like him doing exactly that

1328
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,280
and i'm glad that that he's finally got

1329
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,760
his book out you know uh yeah he gave us

1330
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:14,880
some some

1331
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,400
uh prints of his his his awesome art uh

1332
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,480
illustrating these these classic cases

1333
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,400
or cases that have not actually been

1334
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,640
publicized before but he's been digging

1335
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,400
up the stuff and and that it's it's

1336
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:27,520
great

1337
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:31,119
dude man

1338
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:32,160
uh

1339
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,240
you had sent us a couple a couple links

1340
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,200
um and man i started reading through

1341
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,559
this this

1342
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,559
this planetary poltergeist and weapons

1343
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,400
of mass enchantment

1344
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,280
it was blowing my mind like it was

1345
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,240
awesome

1346
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,240
i'm glad you liked it thank you i loved

1347
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,680
it man because you you you explain

1348
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:58,079
exactly how i feel like within like like

1349
00:51:06,630 --> 00:50:58,800
the

1350
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,640
right and and people believe this right

1351
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,880
but then there's also this over here and

1352
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,720
and people only believe that and and one

1353
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,480
of the things that that you said is you

1354
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,559
know a lot of times what happens is is

1355
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,599
people pick a a root and they stick to

1356
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,200
it right and that's the narrative and

1357
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,119
that's what they believe but

1358
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,200
the way that you explain it in this

1359
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,640
article is like it's kind of

1360
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,640
all-encompassing like we can't be

1361
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,640
leaving all this stuff out there is a

1362
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,920
connection

1363
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,079
you know somewhere between all of this

1364
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:34,319
and you know it was just it was such a

1365
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,920
good read man i absolutely love that uh

1366
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,079
could you go into detail a little bit on

1367
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,839
that because i mean there's there's a

1368
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,520
lot of stuff in here that i'm reading

1369
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:44,640
and it's like

1370
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,599
i can read the word and pronounce it but

1371
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:49,280
you know if you have no context

1372
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,960
sometimes it's difficult to understand

1373
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,800
what's going on right and we have a lot

1374
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,960
of new listeners too so

1375
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:57,040
a lot of it is way over their heads and

1376
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,480
it's always easier if people just kind

1377
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,640
of explain a little bit

1378
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:01,440
so

1379
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:08,400
i was invited to participate in uh uh an

1380
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,160
anthology of ufo researcher writers uh

1381
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,480
for a book called ufos reframing the

1382
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,599
debate

1383
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,240
um it was released in 2017 it has an

1384
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,240
introduction by diana pasoka who i

1385
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,559
mentioned uh the professor of religion

1386
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,920
at i think it's north carolina

1387
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:25,119
university

1388
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,800
um and i i honestly i i

1389
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:31,680
i was i definitely not the most uh known

1390
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,800
person among the list of of of uh

1391
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,200
contributors but um i was honored to be

1392
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:40,079
a part of it but and what i did actually

1393
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,880
was

1394
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,240
um as i

1395
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:44,400
introduced in the the essay which i

1396
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,280
think you linked uh in tonight's uh show

1397
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,280
notes for the youtube link

1398
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,119
um

1399
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,200
was i basically transcribed some some

1400
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,720
lectures that i gave where i tried to

1401
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,079
just throw out

1402
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,240
all the different uh areas avenues of

1403
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,280
research that i think are are worth uh

1404
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:04,559
looking at and yeah not trying to to

1405
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:08,319
convince anybody of any one idea and um

1406
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,359
yeah i

1407
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,040
start it with yeah anybody who tells you

1408
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,480
they know what's going on you should run

1409
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,559
screaming because they they're full of

1410
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,480
[\h__\h]

1411
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,880
no offense but um

1412
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,599
but

1413
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:21,359
it's great advice

1414
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,040
i'm glad you agree um um but you know i

1415
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,880
and and i had to say while at the same

1416
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,640
time admitting my own

1417
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,359
biases because i do lean towards my own

1418
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:34,559
speculative uh avenues and and the the

1419
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:35,599
article

1420
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,559
um

1421
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,480
mentions planetary poltergeists which is

1422
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,440
kind of a a playful way of talking about

1423
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:44,000
uh this idea that that there is some

1424
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,440
kind of

1425
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,000
psychic manifestation phenomena going on

1426
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:50,319
that may be part of the ufo phenomena

1427
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,280
and

1428
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,200
what the other half of the article which

1429
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,800
is actually the focus

1430
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,280
is this idea of weapons of mass

1431
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,160
enchantment the idea that there are

1432
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,160
human agencies who've investigated this

1433
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,559
and learned a lot from observing the

1434
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:07,359
true ufo phenomena and then created

1435
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,760
their own foe faux false ufo phenomena

1436
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,640
and

1437
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,640
it's really important for people to be

1438
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,160
wary of this

1439
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,640
um you know i i don't i'm not trying to

1440
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,359
oh yes i see the link thank you uh to

1441
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:23,680
the article

1442
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:24,400
uh

1443
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,520
i'm not

1444
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,839
trying to make people paranoid or just

1445
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,079
think it's all you know oh it's all just

1446
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:32,160
uh hoax on the part of the military or

1447
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,160
it's all just you know psychic

1448
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,559
manifestations of of gaia the planet

1449
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,680
herself but um uh these are two

1450
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,640
different

1451
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,760
uh seems seemingly mutually excuse

1452
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,160
exclusive ideas but they're not so so

1453
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,720
many of the ideas that have been uh put

1454
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:50,720
forth for explaining ufos are not

1455
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,920
mutually exclusive i mean none of this

1456
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,359
eliminates the possibility of

1457
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:57,359
extraterrestrials i do not particularly

1458
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,720
subscribe to the extraterrestrial

1459
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,640
hypothesis but i'm not going to tell you

1460
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,960
that it can't happen i just personally

1461
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,040
don't when i look at the data i think it

1462
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:07,040
skews a different way

1463
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:11,440
um but but i i god please don't let us

1464
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,390
i mean come on

1465
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,559
it's just too big it's a horrible waste

1466
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:19,680
of space

1467
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,559
yeah yeah if we're the only ones but so

1468
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:23,599
um

1469
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,200
yeah so i i try to in the essay talk

1470
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,000
about uh these these possible

1471
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,680
look at looking at the phenomena from

1472
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,640
the the human manipulation angle and

1473
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,040
there's a lot of cases where

1474
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,720
um

1475
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:40,559
if you look through look at them through

1476
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,400
the lens of of of psychological warfare

1477
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,359
and psychological operations and and and

1478
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,440
uh perception management

1479
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,000
uh you kind of start to see a possible

1480
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,400
pattern that that there there has been

1481
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,480
efforts by the military-industrial

1482
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,559
complex and uh governments and

1483
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,079
corporations and

1484
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,480
religious institutions and esoteric

1485
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:04,559
traditions to

1486
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,599
uh

1487
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,920
learn from the phenomena and emulate it

1488
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,920
for their own ends

1489
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,160
um now i'm not suggesting that there's

1490
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,799
some big overarching conspiracy that has

1491
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,119
coordinated this but some of my favorite

1492
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,680
classic ufo cases just kind of take on

1493
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:21,599
weird

1494
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,559
alternative uh angles if you if you look

1495
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,640
at them everything from the pascagoula

1496
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,040
mississippi uh uh

1497
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:31,680
abduction close encounter uh because of

1498
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,799
its close proximity to some some program

1499
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,319
some military uh

1500
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,640
experiments programs that were happening

1501
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:41,119
really nearby on some islands in in the

1502
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,240
in the river there um uh all of this is

1503
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,760
either come about

1504
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,319
knowledge of these other

1505
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,079
knowledge of the programs that may have

1506
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,760
relevance to these things are often

1507
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,920
uncovered by people investigating things

1508
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,799
like

1509
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,960
the cia's mk ultra

1510
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,599
you know and now granted there is a lot

1511
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:01,599
of drek there's a lot of

1512
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,480
total [\h__\h] out there that

1513
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,559
may be true but like nobody's really

1514
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,240
been able to definitively pin it down

1515
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,720
but there is so much that has been

1516
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,440
pinned down in terms of mk ultra that it

1517
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,359
there there is a there there there's

1518
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:17,839
there is not just smoke there is fire

1519
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,200
right but but again like with the uh

1520
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:23,520
the classic kelly hopkinsville goblin

1521
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,960
case um you know i i'm not saying it was

1522
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,280
a government hoax uh but it's very

1523
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,960
interesting that

1524
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,839
one of the sub programs of mk ultra had

1525
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,079
a very famous magician

1526
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,880
go to the site and

1527
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,960
investigate the case after the fact now

1528
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,400
was that just them going there's

1529
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,319
something really that weird there could

1530
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,680
it have been a hoax on the part of the

1531
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,440
family let's have a magician go look

1532
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,839
maybe it's as simple as that or maybe

1533
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,240
there was another program that that ran

1534
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,799
an op against that poor family

1535
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,280
and he was sent there to kind of to see

1536
00:58:01,190 --> 00:58:00,079
if he could uh pick up the pieces or or

1537
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,200
tease out

1538
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:03,599
an explanation can i can i ask you

1539
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:06,839
really quick when you say send a

1540
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,160
magician i was i was i was yeah my

1541
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,079
hamster started running on the wheel too

1542
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:13,680
like the next time my wife tries to pull

1543
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,280
some [\h__\h] i'm hiring a magician to come

1544
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,960
to the house and figure it out right

1545
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,119
like who needs a private investigator

1546
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,280
i'm calling the local magician

1547
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:24,000
i've got somebody oh actually i don't

1548
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:24,720
know

1549
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:25,599
um

1550
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:28,880
so i i'm i'm blanking on the particular

1551
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,760
magician's name but he was a very famous

1552
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,640
magician of the time and of course for

1553
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:36,880
if the kelly hopkinsville case is this

1554
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,000
case where the family uh saw what some

1555
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,680
described as a shooting star others

1556
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,920
described as a craft that you know went

1557
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,680
across the sky and maybe came down

1558
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,480
landed behind a nearby hill and then

1559
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,359
their their home was assaulted invaded

1560
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,359
not internally but on the outskirts of

1561
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,720
the house

1562
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,280
these uh glowing silver

1563
00:59:01,109 --> 00:59:00,240
long-armed goblin-esque creatures that

1564
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,119
when

1565
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,400
shot multiple times by these shotgun

1566
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,839
wielding

1567
00:59:10,510 --> 00:59:07,599
locals

1568
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,520
would just like flip and scamper off

1569
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,359
unharmed it's it's a classic i mean this

1570
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,200
is the kind of thing i read as a kid you

1571
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:17,760
know and these these uh daniel cohen is

1572
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,799
the the the classic like author of these

1573
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,680
uh young adult or kids uh ufo books and

1574
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,400
and cryptozoology books but i you know i

1575
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:29,599
read about this case but in the files of

1576
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:33,040
mkultra are uh there was a program where

1577
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,720
this particular magician is the guy that

1578
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,319
wrote like uh

1579
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,640
manuals for the cia and the intelligence

1580
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:41,359
services on like sleight of hand how to

1581
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,400
administer drugs uh without being caught

1582
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,400
you know how to roofie

1583
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:48,079
people you know it's the worst kind of

1584
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:48,880
stuff

1585
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:51,680
the you know total classic spycraft but

1586
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,799
from

1587
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,200
the ability of a magician who you know

1588
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:57,440
yeah but he doesn't have the the the the

1589
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,079
the cue dart gun but you know he he's he

1590
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,000
can teach you how to do sleight of hand

1591
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:04,319
to somebody accomplish the same thing

1592
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,760
yeah like shake your hand and then you

1593
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,599
fart for some reason

1594
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:10,400
like oh how did you do that

1595
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,839
ancient chinese secret

1596
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,960
exactly oh this guy's gonna try and tell

1597
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,799
me about aliens and he farted nobody can

1598
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,960
take this guy seriously he's a quack get

1599
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,240
him out of here

1600
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,480
just farting all the time

1601
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:24,640
so in the essay i just talked about a

1602
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,200
number of other cases like that

1603
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,839
nick redfern

1604
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,280
uncovered a

1605
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,160
a a white paper from raytheon one of

1606
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,480
these defense contractors

1607
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,880
that was about how

1608
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,480
a particular troop

1609
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,960
i think over in italy and world war ii

1610
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,280
had created an improvised

1611
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:48,000
like not a robot but like an improvised

1612
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:51,040
prop that basically was used to scare

1613
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,079
uh

1614
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,200
remote villagers and it was through real

1615
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,680
minimal technology and it

1616
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,119
redfern was like reading this and he's

1617
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,359
like this really sounds like the classic

1618
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,200
flatwoods monster

1619
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,839
the the you know the spade-headed

1620
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,880
big

1621
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,960
uh creature that that the you know the

1622
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,200
kids and the army guy i see and i mean

1623
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:13,839
again another classic more it's it's

1624
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,000
more along the cl the case the style of

1625
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,319
monster cases as opposed to classic

1626
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,400
close encounters uh where you think of

1627
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,119
you know aliens taking soil samples or

1628
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,440
abducting people uh they're more monster

1629
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:27,040
oriented but um

1630
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:28,720
those shares

1631
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:31,760
like no no craft involved right

1632
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,640
though

1633
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,160
the whole thing that led them to that

1634
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:36,079
was a sighting of of something going

1635
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,920
across the sky and coming down again

1636
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,920
similar to the the kelly hopkins field

1637
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,680
but yeah it wasn't really seen in

1638
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,720
proximity okay and that so that just to

1639
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,119
kind of diverge on that that's that gets

1640
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,680
to what we were saying about

1641
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,400
sightings of ufos versus bedroom

1642
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:54,640
visitation abduction type of experiences

1643
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,720
there are still tons of classic

1644
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,480
old-school ufo researchers who are

1645
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,079
mostly nuts and bolts they want to kick

1646
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,599
the tires they don't they're not

1647
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:03,920
interested in any new woo new age

1648
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,480
explanations uh you know they just think

1649
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,240
it's some kind of advanced tech it may

1650
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,960
be from from some uh extraterrestrial

1651
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,079
but you know they don't want to talk

1652
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,920
about the occupants and and you know

1653
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,319
that was a there was a phase in early

1654
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,960
ufology where you know there was a

1655
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,799
hardcore contention that was like i

1656
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,559
don't even want to hear about these you

1657
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:25,200
know these occupant cases because that's

1658
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,880
just a bridge too far

1659
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,240
and there's still some people who are

1660
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,640
holding on to that torch like you know i

1661
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,000
don't know what that abduction stuff is

1662
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,559
and and honestly i think anybody

1663
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,480
really has to kind of

1664
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:39,599
you know at least be willing to say

1665
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,640
you know

1666
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,559
there's there's so many people now who

1667
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:44,559
are experiencers who it's not that they

1668
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,640
were driving along in the night and saw

1669
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,880
a ufo and their car stalled and then

1670
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,359
they had a classic close encounter or

1671
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,680
then a a abduction or out-of-body

1672
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,760
experience or whatever but

1673
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:58,000
more often there was you know a large

1674
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,520
percentage started having these just

1675
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,760
bedroom visitations type things like yes

1676
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,039
there might have been a light outside

1677
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,359
the window but uh more often than not

1678
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,880
it's just like this bedroom thing which

1679
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:08,079
is

1680
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,599
the skeptics immediately are like oh

1681
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:11,760
it's it's sleep paralysis it's you know

1682
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,559
nothing more exotic than that altered

1683
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,039
state of consciousness but yeah i would

1684
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,960
say i would argue none of these

1685
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,039
simplistic explanations gets to the

1686
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:22,720
heart of the matter or it certainly

1687
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,599
doesn't uh uh um explain all the data

1688
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:27,839
because going back to your comment about

1689
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:28,880
marfa

1690
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,599
you know the sightings the marvel lights

1691
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,680
occurred before car lights you know

1692
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,000
before there were their cars you know

1693
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:38,319
and and it's like okay so you know you

1694
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:40,400
think uh a large percentage of ufo

1695
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,039
sightings are just um a secret military

1696
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,119
aircraft well there hasn't always been a

1697
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,280
secret military at least not of the

1698
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:49,039
variety we're thinking

1699
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,079
yeah

1700
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:51,839
but then that gets into that whole other

1701
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,079
area that intrigues me which is the idea

1702
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:56,559
of the crypto-terrestrial hypothesis the

1703
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,400
the idea and i didn't really touch on

1704
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:00,000
this in the in the paper other than

1705
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:03,200
maybe alluding to it but um it it this

1706
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,440
is kind of a play on john keele's

1707
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,680
idea of ultra-terrestrials the idea of

1708
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:10,079
of there's always been something some

1709
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:12,799
other intelligence or civilization or

1710
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,280
entities here uh with john keel it's

1711
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,079
almost more demonological uh these idea

1712
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,039
of these ultraterrestrials but um um

1713
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:23,680
a a young man who unfortunately passed

1714
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,039
away far too young mac tonys uh was

1715
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:29,920
exploring this idea of uh

1716
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,920
crypto-terrestrial hypothesis the idea

1717
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:32,799
that

1718
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,960
and

1719
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:41,520
uh would rather us believe that they're

1720
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:44,480
from up there than right here because it

1721
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,920
would be it would have the advantage of

1722
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,599
we're looking in the wrong direction and

1723
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,559
they're the and they somehow exist coex

1724
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,400
have coexisted with us and continue to

1725
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:55,039
coexist with us but they uh for whatever

1726
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,760
reason don't want us to really interact

1727
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,839
in in some kind of direct way

1728
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,200
yeah and i find that

1729
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:03,280
a fascinating idea that there could be

1730
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,359
this other civilization it also has

1731
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,960
similarities to this idea of a breakaway

1732
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:09,039
civilization or more modern like

1733
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:12,720
sometime in our recent history uh uh

1734
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,079
yeah

1735
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,000
breaking away it kind of sorry to cut

1736
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:18,400
you off it it well go ahead

1737
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:20,480
it kind of like gives me the idea of

1738
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:22,160
like

1739
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,079
you know when you go to the wild right

1740
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:26,720
the wild is full of animals right but

1741
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:31,119
like you might only occasionally

1742
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,079
see

1743
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,400
a wolf right well there's a lot of

1744
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:36,559
wolves out in the wild you know you

1745
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:39,440
might only occasionally see a mountain

1746
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:43,039
lion or a bear if you're lucky right but

1747
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,039
that's where they live they're there

1748
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:47,200
there's thousands of there's so many of

1749
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,280
those things right and and it kind of

1750
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,119
makes you wonder like

1751
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,160
huh if if if an animal that doesn't like

1752
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,240
have the internet or like can drive like

1753
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,920
you know you you just assume that like

1754
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,440
you know that's a

1755
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,680
they're not as smart as you right

1756
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,960
they're on a different scale smart but

1757
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:04,079
you would just assume they're not as

1758
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:05,359
smart as you

1759
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,039
it kind of makes you wonder like if

1760
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,000
there was a more advanced civilization

1761
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:12,640
they could almost do the exact same

1762
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,440
thing

1763
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,520
um because they're smarter than you are

1764
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,280
you you are the dumb wolf or the dumb

1765
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:19,440
bear in in in that case except for it's

1766
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,319
it's flipped they decided okay we just

1767
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,720
we're just gonna kind of occasionally

1768
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,319
they might see us right that's just the

1769
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,920
way it goes we all live in the same

1770
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:29,680
place they're occasionally gonna see us

1771
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:32,799
but let's not try and you know like

1772
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,359
i guess advertise it you know so it kind

1773
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,039
of seems like it would be easy to do

1774
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,880
that there's a lot of space on the

1775
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:40,720
planet that we don't even go to right

1776
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,599
there's woods in the united states

1777
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:45,680
there's a shitload of people that nobody

1778
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,400
has ever been there's like old places

1779
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,160
that nobody has ever

1780
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:51,839
walked across

1781
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,640
for hundreds of thousands of years right

1782
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,000
and and

1783
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:58,160
the idea that that that there is so much

1784
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,760
space and you and you could very well

1785
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,599
hide whether it be the ocean or the

1786
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,920
forest or even the sky [\h__\h] if you're

1787
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:05,599
that advanced why not hang out up there

1788
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,119
right we're just kind of out of view at

1789
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,200
a site where nobody's looking

1790
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:11,039
whatever and the people that are looking

1791
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,960
right which is the people who own

1792
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:14,559
satellites they see it but they're not

1793
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:16,000
going to say nothing

1794
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,200
you know they're not going to tell you

1795
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,200
at least right so i can give away their

1796
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:20,880
position it's almost kind of plausible

1797
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,559
that the more advanced civilization

1798
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:24,240
could live right here with you and you

1799
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:26,000
would never know it because they're

1800
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:26,839
smarter

1801
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:30,480
than and you know this some some argue

1802
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,640
that this is uh part of if you look at

1803
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,640
the ufo phenomena over

1804
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,000
time

1805
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:37,520
like if you incorporate like the

1806
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,559
airships of the 1800s you know like

1807
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:42,480
they're staying just ahead of us now you

1808
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,599
know of course there's some people who

1809
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,079
think oh that's that was just our human

1810
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,400
innovation that was being kept secret

1811
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,760
and that's you know it was those are

1812
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,280
just human inventions that they were

1813
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:53,599
seeing but again it's almost like the

1814
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:54,799
sightings

1815
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,039
the the level of technology implied in

1816
01:08:01,829 --> 01:07:59,039
these settings always seemed to be just

1817
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:01,839
slightly beyond where we were like like

1818
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:03,520
the script of terrestrials are just like

1819
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,880
yeah we'll just

1820
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,559
you know put a jet on this one this time

1821
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,400
and we'll go a little faster and oh they

1822
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,559
got jets now okay well we'll do you know

1823
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:12,160
we'll we'll break out the end of gravity

1824
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,400
stuff and that's how we'll stay just

1825
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,159
ahead of them but like

1826
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,080
you talk about places uh

1827
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,640
remote places that most humans haven't

1828
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:21,759
been

1829
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:25,199
east texas man big ticket the big

1830
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,159
bigfoot man nobody lives out there dude

1831
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,400
joe bigfoot lives out there man that's

1832
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,920
it

1833
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:33,679
i 100

1834
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,880
believe that he does or many of them yes

1835
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,120
right that one bigfoot who gets around

1836
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,359
he goes everywhere dude he's fast he's a

1837
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,040
fast guy

1838
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:44,960
you can teleport right well only thing

1839
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,279
about west texas is that um

1840
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,120
if you've ever been out there

1841
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:51,600
you've got you guys east texas sorry

1842
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,359
east sorry yes thank you joe east texas

1843
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:57,359
uh wait are we talking about east texas

1844
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,120
or west texas east texas that's where

1845
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,040
the thick it's it oh i was gonna say

1846
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:03,440
because west texas is all bush country

1847
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,359
every like uh uh natural like tree or if

1848
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,600
everything's bushy and spiny everything

1849
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:12,000
wants to kill you dude it is terrible to

1850
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,440
walk around it i was gonna say if you're

1851
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,359
a bigfoot you're gonna be hairless by

1852
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,279
the end of the day because like

1853
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,279
everything is just trying to rip [\h__\h]

1854
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,839
off of you everywhere you go and then

1855
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:24,239
rattlesnake rattlesnake

1856
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:25,600
yes so

1857
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,400
that's

1858
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,000
the one of the great things about texas

1859
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,839
man we've got we've got mystery light

1860
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,759
phenomena on both sides we've got the

1861
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,440
marfa lights over in west texas and

1862
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,000
we've got uh the the ghost lights of

1863
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:38,799
bragg road the ghost road

1864
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,040
in the thick of the thicket over in east

1865
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,120
texas totally different

1866
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,799
environment so okay if it's a natural

1867
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,920
phenomenon

1868
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:48,480
why can it exist in a swampy environment

1869
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,679
why can it also exist in a in a dry

1870
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,520
desert environment

1871
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,520
uh is it even the same luminous light

1872
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:57,120
phenomena assuming it's a natural

1873
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:00,159
phenomena right um uh i think it's all

1874
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:01,440
just bigfoot

1875
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:04,960
into ball lightning for him you know

1876
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,679
floating around dude i love that i love

1877
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,679
that because technically he is a pioneer

1878
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,280
and he's been riding them balls of light

1879
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,679
for miles these pioneers been running

1880
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,600
cutting balls for miles it's funny

1881
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,960
because every joke we've made since the

1882
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,560
beginning of the podcast comes full

1883
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,120
circle like the further in we get to

1884
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:23,199
this and it's like that's that's not a

1885
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:24,000
joke

1886
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,199
for generations upon generations it's a

1887
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:29,360
very selective group of people very

1888
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,760
specific and selective group of people

1889
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,159
only are allowed to hold these lanterns

1890
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,080
in the mountains

1891
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,640
no one else no one else could come we

1892
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,600
were talking about they were like yeah

1893
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,360
they hold jack-o'-lanterns oh they hold

1894
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,520
jack-o-lanterns up in the mountains

1895
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:46,000
really like that that was one of them

1896
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,760
i can't see my jack-o'-lantern from

1897
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,600
three houses down you expect me to see

1898
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:51,120
it from across the desert at some

1899
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,330
mountains i don't think so

1900
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,480
[Music]

1901
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,520
what are you guys doing out there

1902
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,120
holding these jack-o'-lanterns just

1903
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,880
tripping people out man yeah that's what

1904
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,560
we do

1905
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,199
for thousands of years man

1906
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,120
me and my family

1907
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,679
yeah all over the place man

1908
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:08,880
it's

1909
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,640
that like

1910
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,800
you know it's almost it's almost

1911
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,520
it's almost religious in a way you know

1912
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,280
this this whole thing

1913
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:22,080
is it's it's like

1914
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,840
you have such a strong belief on

1915
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,360
something you can't quite put your thumb

1916
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,880
on right

1917
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,320
it's it's

1918
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,400
it's almost spooky sometimes

1919
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:31,840
and then like

1920
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:34,880
you know like i i come from a very

1921
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,159
religious background i myself am not

1922
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,600
religious really um you know but

1923
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:44,000
then i start

1924
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,280
looking into all this stuff and i

1925
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,960
started talking about it and i'm like

1926
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:47,920
what is this

1927
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,320
it's like the same story like

1928
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,719
like the bible right or like to say like

1929
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,159
all these stories they all have like

1930
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:56,080
these weird connections and even in the

1931
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,600
ufo thing

1932
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:59,120
it's like

1933
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,159
when you start getting into

1934
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,880
consciousness and like things appearing

1935
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,960
and stuff like that and it's like well

1936
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,040
you know like i had somebody ask me was

1937
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,199
jesus an alien it's like [\h__\h] i don't

1938
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,159
know you know like

1939
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,239
maybe right maybe he was just like a

1940
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:16,800
really badass mage like magicians have

1941
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:21,440
existed forever right it's it's not like

1942
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,719
a a a new thing by any means right and

1943
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,960
it's just like we have this idea of

1944
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:29,280
these things that possibly maybe come

1945
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,199
from the sky or they don't come from the

1946
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,520
sky right that's the old thing but like

1947
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:36,239
you know if god is this this this

1948
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:37,600
all-powerful

1949
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,080
can can do anything send things wherever

1950
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,480
he wants to but these beings are also

1951
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,239
all powerful they can kind of do

1952
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:46,640
whatever they want manipulate time space

1953
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,159
gravity whatever it is um you know say

1954
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,320
uh one comes down uh this was the

1955
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,000
conversation we that we were having was

1956
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:57,280
like so you think jesus is an alien uh

1957
01:13:05,910 --> 01:12:58,080
and

1958
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:05,920
was like i don't know but like if an

1959
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:08,239
alien came down and told you some really

1960
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,640
good ideas on how to maybe like advance

1961
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,520
or enhance your life um would we all

1962
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,440
believe it right away or would that take

1963
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:17,440
like thousands of years of like a power

1964
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,120
structure and manipulation to get you to

1965
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,800
believe that that one

1966
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,719
uh being that you met with some really

1967
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,640
good information was actually right you

1968
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,480
know and it's like could he have just

1969
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:28,480
said some stuff that like was actually

1970
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:31,760
just helpful and then turned into like a

1971
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,239
false you know like martyr or a false

1972
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,960
prophet for a structure of power because

1973
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,320
a lot of people

1974
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,920
you know globbed on to that they were

1975
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:42,000
like this guy's got some good ideas you

1976
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:43,120
know i don't really know what he's

1977
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:44,800
talking about but like

1978
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,159
you know he's right he's probably making

1979
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,600
my life a little bit better things are

1980
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:49,120
things or things are looking up for me

1981
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,800
it feels really good you know so you get

1982
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,800
a whole group of people and then and

1983
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,400
then your government kills this guy and

1984
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:56,400
they're all like oh you killed them that

1985
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,679
sucks we don't really like that and

1986
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:59,360
they're like oh well actually actually

1987
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,400
hold on

1988
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,400
we did kill him right but he's actually

1989
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,000
the son of god

1990
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:07,199
son of god oh [\h__\h] well he was the son

1991
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,040
of god you guys killed him we killed him

1992
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,120
for you the whole thing you know that

1993
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:13,120
goes on and now thousands of years later

1994
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,800
like we still believe in this one guy it

1995
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,080
kind of makes me think of like if an

1996
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:19,199
alien came down and said some cool [\h__\h]

1997
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,560
how long would that take before

1998
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,640
everybody was like oh yeah i believe

1999
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,480
that guy

2000
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:26,320
and for a power structure to take a hold

2001
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,199
of that and say oh yeah that guy he uh

2002
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:31,520
that's the son of god right

2003
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,239
in like a new form though right or

2004
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:36,560
source that's the that's the voice of

2005
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,840
the source

2006
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:40,080
right it's just different phrasing

2007
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,840
different wording for the same exact

2008
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,679
thing that happened a long ass time ago

2009
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:45,840
it's just very religious in a weird way

2010
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,110
so that sea change i was talking about

2011
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,560
in academia it's largely coming from

2012
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,480
the religious studies

2013
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,640
department the diana pasulka who i

2014
01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:01,600
mentioned uh she's a religious scholar

2015
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:04,239
uh jeff kreipel at rice university it's

2016
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:07,679
the humanities department depart

2017
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,239
religious scholar

2018
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:12,880
and you know one of the other essays

2019
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:15,920
uh in the the 2017 book that uh my

2020
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:18,800
essay's in is is all about how

2021
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,080
modern ufo belief is its own religion i

2022
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,199
mean so much of this is a matter of us

2023
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:27,040
just

2024
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,320
finding

2025
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,000
faith

2026
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:33,840
in the evidence as we perceive it

2027
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,280
and i i think there's a danger in that

2028
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:40,159
um but uh you know i think that's that

2029
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:41,360
these are the like i said these are the

2030
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,239
stories that that uh inform our our

2031
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,560
everyday existence and and how how we

2032
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,000
live our lives and

2033
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:50,159
um

2034
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,120
there's

2035
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,600
so much

2036
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:55,280
to be said about

2037
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:56,480
uh the

2038
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:00,320
manipulation of the masses by uh uh by

2039
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,440
by religious institutions for

2040
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:05,679
usually not necessarily for our benefit

2041
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,950
and i'm you know

2042
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,199
not i'm not i'm not fully on board with

2043
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,600
the uh uh jesus says alien idea but you

2044
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:17,840
know but oh yeah me either

2045
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:19,120
but i

2046
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,520
the the thing the thing i often say

2047
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,000
first to people about my what my beliefs

2048
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:26,880
are about the ufo phenomena is that ufos

2049
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,000
and the paranormal are the ber are the

2050
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:32,080
originators of all religions on this

2051
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,280
planet

2052
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,440
the the phenomena that people talk i

2053
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:38,159
mean if you look at every religion it's

2054
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,600
humans have always believed themselves

2055
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:41,920
to be in contact with some alien other

2056
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:44,800
and that alien other is often discarnate

2057
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:47,520
invisible uh if you're lucky you might

2058
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:49,600
it might manifest as a ball as a ball of

2059
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:53,520
light or a free-forming apparition uh or

2060
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,239
a burning bush a flaming bush right

2061
01:17:03,270 --> 01:16:59,360
um you know so uh or a singing bush if

2062
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:06,470
we just harmonized dude that was cool

2063
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,120
gave me chills

2064
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,159
i this this book by diana

2065
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,719
uh yeah i haven't gotten to it yet i'm

2066
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,320
still thumbing through jim goodall's

2067
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,880
book that he gave us um and and i also

2068
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:20,400
heard some kind of creepy stuff about

2069
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:30,630
scary [\h__\h] like wait a second yeah you

2070
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,120
were just a nice lady study religion

2071
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,920
she quote she quotes me i think on page

2072
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,280
271

2073
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:38,880
um

2074
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:41,760
i i was ranting on facebook about what i

2075
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,120
call synthetic synchronicity since uh

2076
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:47,040
now since all of our phones are

2077
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,480
listening to us

2078
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:50,800
right turn them off dude it makes it

2079
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:53,840
harder to to discern

2080
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,400
naturally occurring synchronicity from

2081
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:58,719
synthetic synchronicity because

2082
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,880
dude i love that you just said that oh

2083
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,000
my god

2084
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:03,920
yes

2085
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,600
well you know it's we've been living

2086
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,600
with these things for you know

2087
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,600
what was it 2006 when the first iphone

2088
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,000
rolled out but like i mean ten years ago

2089
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,159
i had my first experience of this

2090
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,679
um

2091
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,280
and it just keeps happening more and

2092
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,280
more and more and you know that's just

2093
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,080
it like you you can

2094
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,000
we know like how these things can kind

2095
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:25,440
of happen

2096
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,080
it's not just it's not always or only

2097
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:30,719
you know listening uh it's it's it's the

2098
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,000
gps tracking and and uh you know

2099
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:36,080
collating uh all kinds of other

2100
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,800
databases and and stuff but

2101
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,480
it's pretty creepy but real

2102
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,560
synchronicities still occur and you know

2103
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,199
is that god is that your higher self is

2104
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,520
that your guardian angel what is that

2105
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:49,679
you know yeah

2106
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:50,640
i mean

2107
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,679
second what joe said like that's such a

2108
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:55,360
profound thing that i i haven't really

2109
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,640
thought about like

2110
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,120
synchronicities

2111
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:00,880
nowadays are

2112
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,040
so normal in our everyday lives like i

2113
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:05,600
was just talking about diapers and open

2114
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:08,960
up my phone and hey pampers your job

2115
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,400
your daughter can [\h__\h]

2116
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,719
like buy it like oh how secret does it

2117
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:13,920
is like

2118
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,239
yeah i resonate with that a lot uh but

2119
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,480
like i feel like when you experience a

2120
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,360
true synchronicity

2121
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:23,520
you know it and you go down this dark

2122
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:25,360
rabbit hole and you follow that right

2123
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:27,360
right and you follow it and you get

2124
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,800
dirty

2125
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,159
and then like

2126
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:32,480
and then you find yourself like at 4am

2127
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,400
on a saturday night or

2128
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,880
sunday morning like hey i need to go to

2129
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:39,120
bed you know like yeah there's there's

2130
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:40,080
those

2131
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,239
coincidences based on technology it

2132
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:44,960
feels it feels thin it feels like like

2133
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,080
hollow

2134
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:48,080
yeah like i've noticed that i've started

2135
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:49,440
to notice that because because we're

2136
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,120
aware of it it's completely different

2137
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,280
when you go to target right like there

2138
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:55,199
was an example with people were talking

2139
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,400
about they were like

2140
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,159
yeah i found out that i was pregnant so

2141
01:20:02,149 --> 01:20:00,080
i started buying like samples of baby

2142
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,159
stuff right yeah and then all of a

2143
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:05,040
sudden i started getting all these these

2144
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,600
baby advertisements and things in the

2145
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,520
mail and stuff because they read your

2146
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:11,280
credit card and it's like oh she's

2147
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,880
starting to buy a lot more baby stuff

2148
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:15,040
let's advertise that to her and then we

2149
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:17,360
have like a a situation like like with

2150
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,199
our editor right

2151
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:21,280
that was pretty synchronistic like on

2152
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:24,320
like a non-technological level

2153
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:25,679
that

2154
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,560
you know

2155
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,960
the guy had never heard the show he hops

2156
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,560
on with lou's there

2157
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:32,880
and we start talking about cars and he's

2158
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:35,600
he's making he's making spaghetti and we

2159
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,840
start making fun of like a little truck

2160
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:40,320
mater and his kid he looks up and his

2161
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:42,639
kids watching cars

2162
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,440
and maters on and about that time lou

2163
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,280
holds up that picture of the triangle

2164
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:49,280
circle and square and then he's like

2165
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:51,199
[\h__\h] i'm making a documentary about that

2166
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:53,920
exact image right now holy [\h__\h] what is

2167
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:55,920
happening and there was just a lot of

2168
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:57,600
stuff that fell into place like days

2169
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,880
after and then

2170
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:00,880
that's it's just it's just weird

2171
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,000
it's weird those are cool

2172
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:05,040
synchronicities yeah yeah

2173
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:09,520
and i i like like most people i i do

2174
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:11,520
subscribe to the belief that

2175
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:13,920
when you experience those seemingly true

2176
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:16,960
and natural deep synchronicities that

2177
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,440
like it's the universe god whatever it's

2178
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,280
it's you're getting that message of

2179
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,280
you're on the right path

2180
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:26,159
yeah but i there i i've i i'm not going

2181
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:28,159
to recount any but i i have friends that

2182
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:29,120
have had

2183
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:30,880
negative synchronicities there you can

2184
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,520
it can take you down a dark path too uh

2185
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:35,520
and it's like you said uh

2186
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,040
uh been a dark rabbit hole so it's

2187
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:40,800
important to always find your way out of

2188
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,600
the rabbit hole yeah yeah and that's so

2189
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,280
like it's so difficult for people that

2190
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:47,520
are in that hole to

2191
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,400
i mean

2192
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:50,320
let's just be synchronicities here but

2193
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:52,639
like see the light

2194
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,560
when someone's trying to show you like

2195
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,360
hey dude how you doing bud how's that

2196
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:59,440
project going you're like

2197
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:01,360
listen did i tell you the newest secret

2198
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,320
is like

2199
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,639
yeah it's it's really tough to to to

2200
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,880
break break break somebody out of that i

2201
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:08,719
i can i can imagine i've i've been down

2202
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:11,920
like one really rap dark rabbit hole but

2203
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,400
uh uh luckily uh my

2204
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:16,960
uh amazing wife was like hey you're

2205
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:19,120
being weird uh

2206
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:24,709
i was like thank god

2207
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:30,709
they're like no kennedy is not coming

2208
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:33,280
back at the end of this election

2209
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,880
all right first of all

2210
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:36,400
they died in the playing craft that

2211
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,199
wasn't that wasn't it that wasn't it uh

2212
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,520
so smile i wanted to ask you man like

2213
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:43,520
i've been thinking about this lately

2214
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,239
this may be a two-parter but uh we we've

2215
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,840
talked about maybe your position on the

2216
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:49,840
phenomenon as far as like the light

2217
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,400
energy balls maybe being the same as

2218
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:54,719
bigfoot right so that's cool i love that

2219
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:57,600
dude like dude i'm so open to to

2220
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:00,400
anything that that can give some sort of

2221
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,920
a quantitative

2222
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:03,840
uh perspective

2223
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:06,560
but i guess my question is like when we

2224
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:07,520
go

2225
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,239
down these paths of our self

2226
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,199
truths of hey this makes sense to me

2227
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:14,960
and you try to tell somebody else and

2228
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,120
like maybe it makes sense to others

2229
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,520
maybe sometimes it doesn't you become

2230
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,520
you you start to

2231
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:23,679
cross these paths of

2232
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:27,040
what is true to you and what is fact

2233
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,239
so like

2234
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,320
in your discovery and everything you've

2235
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,239
read everything you like dude you're

2236
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:35,280
just a a library of alexandria of

2237
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,639
knowledge

2238
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:38,000
i feel like you're you're probably the

2239
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:41,199
most open person that uh that we know

2240
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,159
and

2241
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,560
certainly maybe the most well-read like

2242
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,320
where do you stand right now in your

2243
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:48,639
journey between your truth and what is

2244
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:53,830
with a phenomenon

2245
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,830
so i i think when you showed my website

2246
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:02,000
i i described myself as a militant

2247
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,600
agnostic

2248
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,239
and it's a joke it's a joke but i mean i

2249
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:08,480
don't know and neither do you

2250
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,679
right yeah that's um but at the same

2251
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:14,480
time i don't feel you know like again

2252
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:17,040
that i'm i'm not going to proselytize

2253
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:18,000
uh

2254
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:19,679
trying to convince people one way or the

2255
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,679
other if anything i would just say if if

2256
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,280
i when i come up across people who are

2257
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,120
convinced of one particular belief

2258
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,600
system especially if i do have concerns

2259
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,360
about where that could lead them you

2260
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,600
know i will do my best to say hey you

2261
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,000
know are you are you sure about that

2262
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:36,800
um because i'm not i'm not sure

2263
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:39,520
uh but you know i i still

2264
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:41,120
i i still

2265
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:43,040
feel confident in saying this is what i

2266
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:44,800
think is going on

2267
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,480
um

2268
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:48,480
but

2269
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:55,270
well yeah what is what the hell is going

2270
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,639
on um

2271
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,480
it's a funny place to be in yeah that's

2272
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,159
a great answer that's all you have to

2273
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,000
say like you could just leave it there

2274
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:03,840
like what's going like

2275
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,400
are you it's a funny place to be right

2276
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,520
to be a believer and still like people

2277
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:12,000
who are hell-bent on this is what's

2278
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,920
happening to talk those people off the

2279
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,000
ledge but then also have people who are

2280
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,320
complete disbelievers and be like hey

2281
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,239
let me show you some stuff right you're

2282
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:22,960
like right in the middle of like look

2283
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,679
some of these guys are a little too far

2284
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,920
we get it you know and some of you guys

2285
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:29,600
are like just y'all need to catch up

2286
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,639
like it's

2287
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:33,040
a funny place to be right in the middle

2288
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:34,480
of that you know

2289
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:36,560
yeah you know for for as long as i've

2290
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,320
been into these subjects i within

2291
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,560
a week within

2292
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,560
a day with sometimes within a

2293
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,880
conversation i've got one person you

2294
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,040
know yelling and accusing me of being a

2295
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,960
skeptical debunker who doesn't believe

2296
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,239
anything

2297
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,800
um to you know the other side you know

2298
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:56,960
you're just such a naive believer you

2299
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:00,000
believe everything and and i'm like well

2300
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,520
yeah you know uh that's okay the red

2301
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:05,120
queen uh

2302
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:06,560
in um

2303
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,040
alice in wonderland to evoke that down

2304
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:11,120
the rabbit hole thing again you know i

2305
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:12,480
believe uh

2306
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,840
uh a million

2307
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,360
crazy things before breakfast or

2308
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,199
whatever um

2309
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:19,679
i believe some very strange things i

2310
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:23,360
mean you know like okay billy meyer

2311
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:26,480
yes the one-armed swiss contactee

2312
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:27,440
you know

2313
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:31,760
what what a great photographer he

2314
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,760
you know um

2315
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,760
i you know even even when i was like

2316
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:37,679
this is probably [\h__\h] but i'm like

2317
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,120
there was a there was a point where i'm

2318
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,040
like well you know maybe i you know

2319
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:42,719
these aliens if they're so advanced they

2320
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,480
probably have a button they press that's

2321
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,159
like insert

2322
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:49,199
uh fishing line in that guy's photos you

2323
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,719
know so that like

2324
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,400
no one will believe him but there's a

2325
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:54,480
fishing line in that photo it's that's

2326
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,199
not it's a fake that's not a real flying

2327
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:00,080
saucer i mean i i kind of went there

2328
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:02,960
like my mind's like you know what the

2329
01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,159
baby i don't know uh

2330
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,400
i resonate with that so much dude like

2331
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,480
yeah because one of the things we talk

2332
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:12,080
about is like

2333
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,199
how far is too far right yeah if like if

2334
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:17,040
if

2335
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:21,199
people's hands and walking them through

2336
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,320
a wall

2337
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,320
right or having them go through a

2338
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,189
how far is too far like yeah

2339
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,719
and it's such a strange thing because

2340
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:33,360
god damn like i

2341
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,280
i believe i believe them you know and it

2342
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:39,440
and it i want to say in a weird way but

2343
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:42,080
it's not in a weird way like

2344
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,239
i i believe that that could probably

2345
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:46,480
happen you know

2346
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,639
like are some days different like some

2347
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,480
days like you were saying smiles like

2348
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:52,480
i'm just very nuts and bolts i want

2349
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,159
answers and then the next day i'm like

2350
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:56,320
you know what everything's [\h__\h] love

2351
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,280
and like

2352
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:59,679
good vibes and [\h__\h] probably though yeah

2353
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:00,560
yeah

2354
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,600
our belief uh you know there's days

2355
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,360
where i'm just like you know i've just

2356
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:13,120
heard one too many

2357
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:14,960
story like that that just makes me go

2358
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:15,840
really

2359
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,880
um

2360
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,159
but

2361
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,400
at the end of the day i just i still

2362
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:24,719
come back to the there just yes the

2363
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:27,199
world is full filled with weird [\h__\h]

2364
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:28,639
and i i

2365
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,480
it's i'm fine with not understanding it

2366
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:32,639
i mean as much as i've been at this a

2367
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,440
long time and i want answers

2368
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:37,120
and and i'm not i'm not one of these

2369
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:38,320
people who's just like well we should

2370
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,080
just keep the mystery going because you

2371
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:42,000
know mystery is important i mean well

2372
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,239
that's true but it's not

2373
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,960
we can find answers we can we can uh you

2374
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:49,199
know accomplish some some things and and

2375
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:50,560
get a better understanding i think

2376
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,440
there's so much potential to be learned

2377
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,600
about the nature of reality and

2378
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,679
human consciousness and perception from

2379
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:00,000
these phenomena to me the bottom line

2380
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:04,639
with with ufo close encounters is we we

2381
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,800
we're bound to learn more about our own

2382
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:09,600
perceptual faculties i mean i i say this

2383
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:11,440
all the time but you know we are

2384
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,120
you know we're all hallucinating right

2385
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:15,679
now man like and it ain't what i've been

2386
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,320
smoking or drinking it's just the very

2387
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,239
nature of this device

2388
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:22,400
you know right

2389
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,639
we do not experience reality we

2390
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:27,280
experience our perceptions of reality

2391
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:28,400
and

2392
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,679
that is pretty [\h__\h] freaky man i mean

2393
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:34,080
yeah when when you realize and when you

2394
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:37,120
realize how much that is uh affected

2395
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:40,719
and and imprinted and enculturated by

2396
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,920
how where who we what our the family

2397
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:46,000
were born into the ethnic group were

2398
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:50,080
born into the the culture were born into

2399
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:54,000
thank you chad um you know it's

2400
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,600
that to me that's that's just so

2401
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,639
important

2402
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:58,719
um and you know i've heard these

2403
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:01,199
arguments amongst ufo folks for forever

2404
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,239
about like who who controls the ufo

2405
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:06,960
experience you know it's like one of my

2406
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:09,440
favorite abduction researchers

2407
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:12,080
who's no longer with us dr carla turner

2408
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:13,600
you know she was the one who put forth

2409
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:15,920
this idea of vrs virtual reality

2410
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:18,560
scenario this idea that she would look

2411
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:19,440
at

2412
01:30:24,550 --> 01:30:22,239
certain experiences uh encounters where

2413
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,560
multiple people would have different

2414
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:26,880
perceptions of the same event

2415
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,480
and it seemed to be a matter of well

2416
01:30:36,790 --> 01:30:32,880
she interpreted it more that that the

2417
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:36,800
the alien force whatever their origins

2418
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:39,199
were controlling the perceptions of the

2419
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,920
experience or the abductee the recipient

2420
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:44,000
and and certainly there's tons of people

2421
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:47,440
who subscribe to that idea but again you

2422
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,560
you can't

2423
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:51,199
uh rule out the fact that you know a lot

2424
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:52,560
of how

2425
01:30:57,669 --> 01:30:54,880
experiencers seem to perceive these

2426
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:57,679
things is likely dictated by just who

2427
01:31:01,270 --> 01:30:59,280
they are how

2428
01:31:02,870 --> 01:31:01,280
where they the where they were born and

2429
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:02,880
the the belief systems that have already

2430
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:05,920
been inculcated in them by society

2431
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:06,800
but

2432
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:08,320
then there are other aspects of these

2433
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,320
experiences that are so bizarre that

2434
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,000
it's like well that's clearly not from

2435
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:14,400
their prevailing uh paradigm you know

2436
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:15,360
like

2437
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,960
that that surely that must have been

2438
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:19,199
imposed by this this this alien other or

2439
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:22,880
whatever um but i i really i i i come

2440
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:24,000
back to

2441
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:26,639
the the uh the human brain you know when

2442
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,000
it's confronted with a true unknown it

2443
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,239
it just is grappling it's just like i'll

2444
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:35,120
i'll just anything from my experience or

2445
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,960
that i've heard of that's i'm gonna

2446
01:31:41,430 --> 01:31:39,199
throw that at it and see what sticks

2447
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:41,440
and uh so so much of these high

2448
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:44,400
strangeness uh aspects of ufo close

2449
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:46,000
encounters and abduction experiences

2450
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:46,800
just

2451
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:49,199
they're mind-boggling and uh they really

2452
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:50,000
are

2453
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,120
um

2454
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:53,679
and i'm you know kind of fine with that

2455
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:54,960
but yeah

2456
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:57,040
i think it's very important for people

2457
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:58,560
to understand

2458
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:59,840
uh

2459
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:00,880
you know

2460
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:04,480
i want to present to you um the facts

2461
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:05,760
that i have

2462
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:08,719
um to get the conversation going but

2463
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:10,239
then at the end

2464
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:12,800
i feel like people have such a hard time

2465
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:17,110
people always want to learn but i feel

2466
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:20,560
like when presented with the the option

2467
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:23,120
people have a hard time grasping of like

2468
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:25,199
listen i want to present the facts to

2469
01:32:30,229 --> 01:32:27,120
you this is what we know up to this

2470
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:30,239
point but then also further on i want

2471
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:33,520
you to understand that there is

2472
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:35,040
so much

2473
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,880
we don't know

2474
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:38,719
we have no idea

2475
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:41,120
we don't understand the

2476
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:44,480
you know where science is now where our

2477
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:46,960
technology is now where everything is

2478
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:50,400
now is is very in a very short amount of

2479
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,360
time

2480
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:53,679
who's to say in the next 100 years can

2481
01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:56,000
we project where that's gonna be the

2482
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:58,000
kind of technology that we're gonna have

2483
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:00,000
you know and maybe some people can i

2484
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,280
know i can't um i know bing can't right

2485
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:05,280
um and it's like it's like there's so

2486
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:07,120
much that we don't understand and don't

2487
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:10,239
know so just because something seems odd

2488
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:12,080
um to you right now

2489
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:14,400
doesn't mean that it doesn't exist right

2490
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,880
one of my favorite quotes is is uh is

2491
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,560
magic is just science we don't

2492
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,120
understand yeah at the moment and that's

2493
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:23,440
that's such a key point that a lot of

2494
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:24,719
people just

2495
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:27,120
more so like on the the the skeptical

2496
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:29,040
side like they just they have a hard

2497
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:31,199
time processing that and like that's

2498
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,040
fine but the more you know you can

2499
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,760
present these little pieces of bits of

2500
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:37,920
information of facts on the case you

2501
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:41,120
know the better um but there is that big

2502
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:42,960
part and that's the biggest part is just

2503
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:45,440
there's so much we don't understand

2504
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:47,760
you know it's it and it's like when the

2505
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:51,120
skeptics like oh you know the the energy

2506
01:33:55,270 --> 01:33:52,639
you're required to get from here to

2507
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,280
there and and you know physics and it

2508
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:57,600
takes time and it's less like dude you

2509
01:34:02,629 --> 01:33:59,920
are just not thinking imaginatively

2510
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:02,639
enough right right now

2511
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:04,800
it's like that yeah what you invoked

2512
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:07,280
with the asimov quote you know of a

2513
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:08,960
significantly advanced technology is

2514
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,800
going to seem like magic

2515
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:12,719
right because you just can't

2516
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:15,360
imagine it and i i really like this this

2517
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:18,880
this idea that oh the the the space in

2518
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:19,760
and

2519
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:21,520
the universe is so vast that they

2520
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:23,440
couldn't possibly get here and do these

2521
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:26,080
things it's just like um

2522
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:27,840
that's based on our limited

2523
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:30,320
understanding we know so little yeah

2524
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:32,800
right man right hey i wanna i wanna take

2525
01:34:37,350 --> 01:34:35,280
a quick little uh spot just to let

2526
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:37,360
everybody know uh we've been telling

2527
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,440
everybody for a while now hey anytime

2528
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:41,520
that you guys throw super chats in or

2529
01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:43,840
you go to ufo garagepodcast.com you

2530
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:45,440
check out our t-shirts all of our

2531
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:47,760
episodes stuff like that anytime you buy

2532
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:50,800
something from us we will be donating 20

2533
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:52,880
to somebody who needs a little extra

2534
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:55,840
help or who we feel is just doing badass

2535
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:58,000
and and helping other people out in the

2536
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,800
community we have smiles on tonight this

2537
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:02,400
is who we've been talking about for the

2538
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:05,199
past month and a half uh absolutely fell

2539
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:07,520
in love with anomaly archives these guys

2540
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,440
need a little bit of help so like i said

2541
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:11,840
anything that you super chat to us or

2542
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,600
that you guys buy purchase from us um we

2543
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:17,199
donate 20

2544
01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:20,239
um to to smiles and anomaly archives we

2545
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:21,920
also have a paypal link where you can

2546
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,800
just

2547
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,960
donate directly to them so if you don't

2548
01:35:28,149 --> 01:35:26,159
want 20

2549
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,159
and you want to donate all of it you go

2550
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:30,000
on ahead and you just click on that link

2551
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:32,560
and you help these guys out um if you're

2552
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,719
enjoying the conversation um you know

2553
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:36,639
this guy he's got a lot of books you

2554
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:38,639
know he's got a lot of books he he runs

2555
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:40,880
an archive so you know he's got a lot of

2556
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:43,520
knowledge in there and my god is it

2557
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,360
amazing um so you guys uh thank you so

2558
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:49,760
much for everybody who's been donating

2559
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:52,159
and been helping out uh

2560
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:53,440
so far

2561
01:35:58,149 --> 01:35:54,960
like i said there is a link that you can

2562
01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:58,159
donate directly to him um

2563
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,159
and uh yeah that's that's pretty much it

2564
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:01,600
thanks i just wanted to put that out

2565
01:36:05,590 --> 01:36:03,760
there because because we're uh

2566
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,600
we're on live right now

2567
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,480
with the guy yeah

2568
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,480
and thank you guys so much i mean you

2569
01:36:14,870 --> 01:36:12,480
you all have been a big help and a lot

2570
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:14,880
of support for us and uh we just want to

2571
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:17,040
we just want to share that

2572
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:19,840
well and and thank you uh and i i think

2573
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:22,000
that's that's so honorable of y'all to

2574
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,400
do that on a regular basis for all the

2575
01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:26,800
people you've shared that with um so

2576
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:33,149
heck yeah is it oklahoma

2577
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:36,480
yeah go for it dude

2578
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,390
i love it dude i love it thank you dr

2579
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:44,800
argonne so much man appreciate it yeah

2580
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:46,560
we're gonna catch up we try not to

2581
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,639
interrupt conversation with super chats

2582
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,320
but we definitely try and call them out

2583
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:52,400
as much as we possibly can so we'll go

2584
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,719
through uh yeah it smiles if you gotta

2585
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:56,400
if you gotta take a little a little

2586
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:59,119
quickie man by all means go for it

2587
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:01,360
i'll take you out yeah dude absolutely

2588
01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:03,280
man absolutely thank you guys so much

2589
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:06,719
for those donations tonight yeah yeah

2590
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:10,080
dave scott miss crowley dr argonne i'm

2591
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:11,760
sorry if i'm missing anybody i'm trying

2592
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:13,280
to go through

2593
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:15,040
the chats right now

2594
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,639
i wanna i wanna i wanna shout out flash

2595
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:18,400
forward thank you so much dude

2596
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:21,199
appreciate that what's up dude i want to

2597
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:25,040
shout out all of our uh youtube um

2598
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:25,920
uh

2599
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:28,560
members yeah dude do it

2600
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:31,679
so many members like i i it's been like

2601
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:34,000
two months since i've looked i started

2602
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:34,880
like

2603
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:43,440
and i don't know an exact number but

2604
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,119
there's a whole lot and yeah we have

2605
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:47,040
seven i just want to shout out everybody

2606
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:48,800
that's that's that's a member on youtube

2607
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:50,560
if if you're if you're not a member that

2608
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,199
the perks are very simple you're

2609
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:54,960
supporting the podcast and there's like

2610
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:00,310
like if we remember we will shout you

2611
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:02,800
out but like ultimately it's just like

2612
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:04,960
you know it's like one dollar and then

2613
01:38:08,470 --> 01:38:06,800
five bucks there's like two there's like

2614
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:08,480
two two levels but that's specifically

2615
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:11,760
on youtube so real quick alabama tide

2616
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:14,800
michael gutierrez dogface boy jeremy

2617
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:17,920
jurgensen keira angel melissa nicole

2618
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:20,320
oracles and beyond texas barbecue i

2619
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,950
[Laughter]

2620
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:29,040
i love it hey by the way you guys go

2621
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:31,040
check out texas barbecue all right take

2622
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:34,960
barbecue uh texas barbecue.com

2623
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:38,159
that we couldn't afford the food

2624
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:39,920
gutierrez thank you so much brother

2625
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,000
appreciate it man thank you this is

2626
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:43,840
gonna help out so much yeah thanks

2627
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:46,159
michael appreciate that um going through

2628
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:49,040
the line uh trippy times josh what's up

2629
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:51,760
dude thank you uh tim mccart uh

2630
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,119
nightmare

2631
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:56,080
uh paranormal chop shop sunny brother

2632
01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:00,239
uh fat bass larry a caleb gardner gary

2633
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,080
voorhees what's up

2634
01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:04,800
christopher uh boehner uh norwegian

2635
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:08,239
terrestrial mirror moon mr crowley

2636
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:12,639
spooky morales the jojo bone show jme

2637
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:14,080
patton

2638
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:16,880
and the chad smith actually i think chad

2639
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,639
smith was the first member so i mean i

2640
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,560
think he was the first at the bottom of

2641
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:23,840
the list so

2642
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,480
love that guy love everybody that uh

2643
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:28,560
that signed up to uh

2644
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,119
be a youtube member

2645
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,840
we do have plans this year to do like

2646
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:36,159
member only like content and [\h__\h] to

2647
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:38,080
where like we could just hang out we'll

2648
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:39,520
send you a notification like hey we're

2649
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:42,239
going to be live on a random day during

2650
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:44,880
the week and we'll just [\h__\h] hey

2651
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:47,440
we've got a new member right now 509 to

2652
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,719
find pines dude 509 that's what's up

2653
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:52,719
dude he's been with us like since the

2654
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,600
beginning yes yes and that's so awesome

2655
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:57,600
to see that man i'm loving it travis

2656
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,560
green

2657
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:01,040
he says i'm not a member but it's all

2658
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:02,960
right but you know what you're sexy so

2659
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,560
we're gonna go ahead and shout you out

2660
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:06,480
anyways travis green and you got a

2661
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,480
beautiful voice like an angel

2662
01:40:13,990 --> 01:40:11,280
i'm telling you that guy rocks man i

2663
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:14,000
love it i love it dude hey thank you

2664
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:16,159
guys so much for the support i mean this

2665
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:18,960
is awesome i mean like

2666
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,159
look the the goal here is that when you

2667
01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:24,639
support us you support people in the

2668
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,800
community that's one of the biggest

2669
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:28,560
things for ben and i you know we were

2670
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:30,639
like man we're so dumb we can't do

2671
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:32,080
research right

2672
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,239
you know like we're not investigative

2673
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:36,480
journalists we don't hit the you know

2674
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,199
the

2675
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:39,199
you know we're not we're

2676
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,679
not we're not anything important you

2677
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:43,840
know that's the whole thing man but uh

2678
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:46,880
you know we we enjoy like-minded people

2679
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:49,920
we we built this little space to have

2680
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:52,320
you guys join in and chat with us and

2681
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,199
share your ideas and and everything all

2682
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:57,840
of your knowledge and and that's that's

2683
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,800
what this is and it's and it's so great

2684
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:03,360
um so like i said when you guys support

2685
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,560
us you also help support other people

2686
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:08,639
out there in the community who are doing

2687
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:12,719
amazing work and uh man we just we love

2688
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:15,600
you guys so much i mean we just hit this

2689
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,199
past weekend we hit over 3 000 subs on

2690
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:21,360
youtube that's so great if you guys

2691
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,719
haven't yet go on ahead and uh

2692
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:26,880
like subscribe and hit that bell button

2693
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:29,119
so you know whenever we uh

2694
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:31,040
whenever we go live and it's usually on

2695
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,199
tuesdays and thursdays

2696
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,920
sometimes uh on tuesdays we do topless

2697
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:37,679
tuesdays we haven't talked to smiles

2698
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,159
about that yet but uh he you know

2699
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,320
we will maybe maybe he'll come on with

2700
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,800
no no shirt on you know what i'm saying

2701
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:46,639
he'll show the buff muscles like ben and

2702
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,280
i do on tuesdays sometimes

2703
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,000
sometimes nips out yeah he nips out on

2704
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:54,880
tuesdays all right yeah

2705
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:57,600
driven baby chad smith gave a donation

2706
01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:00,960
to the paypal chad smith thank you so

2707
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:05,440
much man uh dog face boy he says buy

2708
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:10,870
yeah we're gonna we're gonna start a

2709
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,280
separate donation link paypal donation

2710
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,199
link where you can donate to buy me a

2711
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,440
chair because as you guys know i'm

2712
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:19,360
currently just sitting on this box and

2713
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:21,199
i've been sitting on this box for months

2714
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:22,880
now so

2715
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:25,040
i'm just kidding i get my own chair to

2716
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:31,990
has offered me a chair at least 30 times

2717
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:35,440
uh since we haven't been together and uh

2718
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,520
i got to say i missed that chair ben i

2719
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:39,520
missed the squeakiness and i missed the

2720
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:41,280
way that it leans to the right a little

2721
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:43,760
bit the squeakiness

2722
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,600
yeah

2723
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:47,840
it is quicker than this is it the

2724
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:51,920
squeakiest is it the squinking

2725
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,639
i said in it today uh and it's very

2726
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:56,400
uncomfortable i don't know how you like

2727
01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:58,880
that chair but isn't it dude adjustments

2728
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:02,480
i am uh i i am a animal of very few

2729
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,679
needs right i'm i'm very satisfied most

2730
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:07,199
of the time so

2731
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,880
looks like looks like smiles is back

2732
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,560
let's get him back into the

2733
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:12,560
stream

2734
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,800
it sucks that now both of us can can

2735
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,639
control it because you know you're so

2736
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,719
used to controlling it and then i'm like

2737
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:21,520
oh let me control it i'm i'm the new guy

2738
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,639
i will happily let you

2739
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,800
i get so stressed out doing it all dude

2740
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:28,880
hey i don't know if you knew this but i

2741
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:31,679
was i was trying to uh if you hit shift

2742
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:34,400
at it puts us in the side by side three

2743
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:35,679
screen mode

2744
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:37,760
um if you don't click in the in the in

2745
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:40,320
the chat thing yeah that's okay that's

2746
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:42,080
what was happening earlier yeah that was

2747
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,080
me i kept trying oh that was you i was

2748
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,080
trying to respond to people like at

2749
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:48,480
tammy or at something and i kept hitting

2750
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:50,719
shift at so i taught you a computer

2751
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,920
thing you're welcome ben it was so cool

2752
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:55,760
i i thought okay we were both doing it

2753
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:58,400
it wasn't just you oh okay yeah cause i

2754
01:44:01,830 --> 01:44:00,000
i kept forgetting which

2755
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,840
window i was in yeah

2756
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:04,159
yes man welcome back man welcome back

2757
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:07,119
hey hey thanks for uh taking let me take

2758
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:09,040
a break there yeah no worries dude no

2759
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:10,639
worries are you outside now dude are you

2760
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:14,080
i am on the back porch i like it i like

2761
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:16,960
it got that golden light golden light uh

2762
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:19,679
mood mood lighting i like it yeah dude

2763
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:20,800
yeah

2764
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:23,520
it does it it accentuates the jawline

2765
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:27,990
yeah

2766
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,639
so uh smiles i i've got a question for

2767
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:32,560
you man so um

2768
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:35,280
out of all of the cases that you've uh

2769
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,320
researched what uh what what are you

2770
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,560
what are you like most uh interested in

2771
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,560
right at this moment

2772
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:44,320
or or maybe something that you've gone

2773
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:45,760
back to or

2774
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,280
what what sticks out to you

2775
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:51,360
um

2776
01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:56,629
for me it's it's always been just the

2777
01:45:02,870 --> 01:44:59,360
wealth of of cases there's there's just

2778
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:02,880
so so many cases um but i i did recently

2779
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,679
read uh that valet book uh trinity that

2780
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:08,320
i mentioned that uh that's about a pre

2781
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:11,600
roswell ufo crash and as as i said

2782
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:13,280
earlier

2783
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:15,440
uh i've honestly you know i was never a

2784
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:18,480
huge roswell fan i i i know so many

2785
01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:19,920
people come to this and they're like oh

2786
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,760
roswell that's the that's the linchpin

2787
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:23,600
that's that's the thing that that proves

2788
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,360
it all it's like

2789
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:28,080
well to me it always seemed like it

2790
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:30,159
stuck out like a sore thumb compared to

2791
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:32,239
the the bulk of all these other close

2792
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,080
encounter cases and abduction cases it's

2793
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:36,000
like it just didn't seem to fit

2794
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,679
um but you know there's so many other uh

2795
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:42,000
crash cases

2796
01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:44,880
that you know form their own uber of of

2797
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:47,119
of uh uh uh

2798
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:48,239
gravity

2799
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:49,199
um

2800
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,080
but

2801
01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:52,719
the the trinity case just is i find

2802
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:54,320
really intriguing

2803
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:55,199
um

2804
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:57,119
because it kind of fits in with a

2805
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:00,560
different take on the crashes than i had

2806
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:03,280
previously considered

2807
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:07,280
and it's it's valet going uh if if i

2808
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,199
haven't already given this impression i

2809
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:12,480
am a huge valet fanboy valet is my

2810
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:15,360
bread and butter i like i i am just i i

2811
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:17,440
i think he's done more for the for the

2812
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:21,760
ufo uh research scene than anybody else

2813
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:23,600
yeah he's done a lot of great work and

2814
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,520
i've admitted to many people that i want

2815
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:28,400
to have his love child so

2816
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:30,400
and you you recently spoke with uh on

2817
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,560
the same stage as him recently

2818
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:34,560
yeah not at the same time but yeah uh

2819
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,440
yeah so he was so he that he's donated

2820
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:39,440
his collection to this rice university

2821
01:46:43,990 --> 01:46:40,400
archive

2822
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:44,000
uh sadly there is a a 10-year moratorium

2823
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:46,000
on public access

2824
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,480
um which basically means as he's

2825
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,239
donating stuff there that starts the

2826
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,800
10-year countdown clock of when people

2827
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,800
can actually access

2828
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:56,960
his his material

2829
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:00,880
um yeah um this is not that uncommon in

2830
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,880
in uh archives but as as for you know

2831
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:06,880
folks like ourselves we're like god damn

2832
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,000
it come on yeah yeah wait wait what are

2833
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,400
we what kind of material are we talking

2834
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:14,560
well so so the thing that brought this

2835
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:15,440
up

2836
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:17,280
was um

2837
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:18,960
in so you know one of the other things

2838
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:21,840
that he's donated to the community the

2839
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:24,400
to the world is his journal so

2840
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:26,880
um he's published his own diaries he's

2841
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,480
been dying

2842
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:30,719
journaling uh all his life

2843
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:32,320
and um

2844
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,000
he has published four

2845
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,560
volumes of his forbidden science

2846
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:38,320
journals

2847
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:40,960
uh and each straddles like a decade so

2848
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,280
like the the first one was i believe the

2849
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,920
60s and then the second one was the 70s

2850
01:47:50,229 --> 01:47:47,760
the third one was the 80s and the fourth

2851
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:50,239
one his most recent was the 1990s and

2852
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:53,600
it's weird because the 1990s one like as

2853
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:55,280
as reading it like all this stuff was

2854
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:57,119
coming out about uh

2855
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:00,480
bigelow and the skinwalker ranch and bob

2856
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:04,239
lazar all that was old is new again or

2857
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,440
has been and in this uh in this fourth

2858
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:09,440
volume is all the stuff from from that

2859
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:11,360
period when he was working with bigelow

2860
01:48:16,830 --> 01:48:14,400
and and and hearing the the daily

2861
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:16,840
stories and reports from skinwalker

2862
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,639
ranch but in that book he also

2863
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,560
made an allusion to

2864
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:24,480
oh i saw a document that talked about

2865
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:26,719
the cia faking alien abductions in

2866
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,840
central and south america

2867
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:31,520
okay

2868
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:34,560
and so if if you if if that rings any

2869
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:37,600
bells so there there is a uh

2870
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:39,440
there has long been i think since the

2871
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,040
1970s

2872
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,000
some documentations circulating by a guy

2873
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,119
who his name is eludes me i was trying

2874
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:49,040
to remember it just this weekend because

2875
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:50,080
of this

2876
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:53,360
uh this topic but it's probably

2877
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:56,960
but valet here is claiming uh something

2878
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,040
that that we would love to get our hands

2879
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:01,280
on you know this this alleged document

2880
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:03,040
that convinced him that this was

2881
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:06,400
actually probable or absolutely real

2882
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:10,000
uh this idea that some like again cia mk

2883
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:12,560
ultra uh style some kind of experiments

2884
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:13,920
were going on in central and south

2885
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:15,920
america to fake

2886
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,560
uh alien abductions and uh the classic

2887
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,400
via bolus case which is one of my

2888
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:22,320
favorites it predates the betty and

2889
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:25,280
barney hill case by a couple of years

2890
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,840
but wasn't known until after their case

2891
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,239
uh is is one of the cases that the

2892
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,320
author that i suspect is behind this

2893
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:34,560
document the valet is referencing

2894
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:37,520
um uh claims that he was privy to this

2895
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:40,159
the cia program well

2896
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:42,960
that's part of this archive

2897
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:45,760
but we can't read it so that would be

2898
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:48,000
frustrating um

2899
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:51,599
but yeah his so in the his book trinity

2900
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:54,000
um it it's self-published so it's not as

2901
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:55,840
it needs a good editor as as one

2902
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:58,639
reviewer said uh wired magazine just did

2903
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:01,199
a really good interview with valet and

2904
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,239
uh it gives a nice one or two paragraph

2905
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:07,280
synopsis of this book and if you may

2906
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:08,880
recall um

2907
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,679
it kind of created its own controversy

2908
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:13,440
uh when

2909
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:15,040
like it had been i think i think he

2910
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:17,840
first revealed that it was coming up uh

2911
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:20,480
uh on the joe rogan podcast

2912
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:21,360
and

2913
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:22,480
uh

2914
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:28,800
like

2915
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:32,080
replaced with something slightly

2916
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:33,119
different

2917
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:34,400
and suddenly

2918
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:37,040
this other researcher paolo

2919
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:38,639
harris

2920
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:41,520
was listed as his co-author and a lot of

2921
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:44,000
my skeptic friends are not a fan of hers

2922
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,480
and think that she's really not

2923
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,480
very discerning in her

2924
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:51,280
endorsement of certain cases

2925
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,960
and so they're immediately like uh very

2926
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:54,239
critical they're they're back to being

2927
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:56,080
very critical of lay and and certainly

2928
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:57,119
valet

2929
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:59,280
as much as he's thought of as being a

2930
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:01,920
rational scientist you know his ideas

2931
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:03,920
are kind of paranormal they're kind of

2932
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:06,880
like straddling that you know science

2933
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:08,400
and versus

2934
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,639
trying to understand the unknown and and

2935
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,560
realizing that science is a good tool

2936
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:14,320
but it's not necessarily the end-all and

2937
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,360
be-all

2938
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:18,080
but um yeah there's so much uh

2939
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,560
criticism of him which is straight out

2940
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:22,560
the gate like

2941
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:25,280
book unread sight unseen paola harris

2942
01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:27,119
like oh my god you know this is this is

2943
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:28,239
too gauche

2944
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:31,520
um uh but thankfully i got the book and

2945
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:33,760
uh read it faster than i read most books

2946
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:36,239
i i am not as fast of a reader as i used

2947
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:37,040
to be

2948
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,880
uh and

2949
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:39,920
um

2950
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:42,159
i i don't know i was really taken by

2951
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,639
this this book this idea of

2952
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,800
these you know nine and

2953
01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:48,960
eleven i think is was the age of the

2954
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:51,520
kids back in 45 when this event

2955
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:53,280
supposedly occurred

2956
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:57,040
that involves a seemingly a crash saucer

2957
01:52:01,910 --> 01:52:00,080
in san antonio not texas san antonio new

2958
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:01,920
mexico

2959
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:04,000
very close to and immediately following

2960
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:07,280
the first detonation of the atomic bomb

2961
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:09,040
near the trinity site

2962
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:10,960
and um

2963
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,149
i i tell you you know it's got like kind

2964
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:18,880
of insectoid mantis

2965
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:21,760
like aliens in it as far as the entities

2966
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:23,679
that are seen by the kids

2967
01:52:28,830 --> 01:52:26,639
uh yeah you know but and and i i get why

2968
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:28,840
people would be critical of this case

2969
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:31,199
because um you know

2970
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:34,159
the the witnesses these uh these these

2971
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,199
kids that were literally just like

2972
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:39,440
the youngest ranch hands you can imagine

2973
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:42,239
back in 1945 but if anybody's you know

2974
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:45,199
who anybody anybody who's lived on

2975
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:47,440
uh a rural

2976
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:50,480
uh uh farm or ranch you know

2977
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:52,880
you're your staff you know you're born

2978
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:54,639
and it's like that's why they had you

2979
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:55,840
you know you're

2980
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:57,520
like

2981
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:00,800
uh uh doing doing time on the farm but

2982
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:03,440
so these kids were like you know uh

2983
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:05,599
rustling cattle and and out on their

2984
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:08,800
horses and uh heard and saw

2985
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,440
uh uh something and and went to

2986
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:13,599
investigate and saw this crash

2987
01:53:18,149 --> 01:53:16,480
object and this is this avocado shaped

2988
01:53:21,669 --> 01:53:18,159
craft

2989
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,679
or object and these seemingly insectoid

2990
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:23,520
mantis maybe like or

2991
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,239
or

2992
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:26,560
what's the um

2993
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:29,119
uh what do they call them uh those um

2994
01:53:31,109 --> 01:53:30,159
mantids

2995
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:31,119
uh

2996
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:39,669
certain type of cricket that and um

2997
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:40,960
locust

2998
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:42,880
uh

2999
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:44,400
nah i'm just sick

3000
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:46,239
no no no those are all yes yes i know

3001
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:47,760
what you're describing

3002
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:49,520
these uh

3003
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:52,560
knowledge dude like no shut up ben

3004
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:56,639
no no it's it's anyway it's these um

3005
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:58,400
they're the the the cloak wheel is

3006
01:54:02,470 --> 01:53:59,920
children of the earth

3007
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:02,480
is one translation of this kind of a bit

3008
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:05,040
giant look like giant ant like looking

3009
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:07,840
creatures um anyway it's it's a

3010
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,679
fascinating case there's definitely

3011
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,840
something something definitely [\h__\h]

3012
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:14,000
happened like like they have an

3013
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:16,960
independent uh uh account from a pilot

3014
01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:17,760
who

3015
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,400
um was flying over at the time and made

3016
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:22,400
a report saying yeah i saw that there

3017
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:24,480
was some kind of crashed aircraft or

3018
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:28,480
some kind of crashed object in this area

3019
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,480
there's a lot of really weird high

3020
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:32,080
strangeness aspects of it which

3021
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:35,599
immediately gets peaks my interest

3022
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:36,400
you know

3023
01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:38,400
one of the the witnesses has passed away

3024
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:41,760
there you go that's what is that called

3025
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:45,280
el nino de la tierra

3026
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,189
jerusalem cricket look how cute he's a

3027
01:55:02,070 --> 01:54:59,360
cute little little buck apparently those

3028
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:02,080
guys get really big like not like human

3029
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:04,159
sized like yeah we're described but like

3030
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:06,480
big enough to scare most uh

3031
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:08,080
oh no

3032
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:09,599
big enough you ain't trying to mess with

3033
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:12,000
that yeah i don't like it i don't like

3034
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:12,880
it

3035
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:17,440
like scorpion spider things in the

3036
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:18,480
desert

3037
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:19,440
yeah

3038
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:21,440
i don't like it so i don't think i even

3039
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:23,440
really was aware of these

3040
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:26,320
until um the the classic roswell

3041
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:28,960
investigators tom carrey and

3042
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:32,800
don schmidt uh were comparing uh the the

3043
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:35,119
creatures seen at roswell to these

3044
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,199
because apparently i think some locals

3045
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:39,840
um uh there's one now look at that alien

3046
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,639
right there that guy who's like i don't

3047
01:55:48,310 --> 01:55:44,480
know dude but i got a sea of crickets

3048
01:55:54,070 --> 01:55:51,589
he is the jerusalem cricket

3049
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:54,080
it's the father of audrey

3050
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,229
so this case is fascinating but you know

3051
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:02,159
it's like well what can you what can you

3052
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:03,840
do with it from you know happening in

3053
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:07,599
1945 and these years these these kids

3054
01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:10,239
they didn't really talk about it

3055
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:12,880
to anybody in the ufo community until

3056
01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:15,520
several years ago and so it's it's a new

3057
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:17,760
case even though it's very very old and

3058
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:20,400
predates roswell

3059
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:21,360
so

3060
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:24,560
um i know at least one mufon

3061
01:56:28,790 --> 01:56:26,800
uh investigator

3062
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,800
and this is a another sorry to slam

3063
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:30,480
mufon again but so

3064
01:56:34,709 --> 01:56:32,000
like uh

3065
01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:34,719
mufon uh like did a cover article on

3066
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:36,960
their journal about the case and and it

3067
01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:39,840
was paola harris's uh uh article and

3068
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:41,520
they were having her as like their lead

3069
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:44,000
speaker at one of the conferences and

3070
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:45,840
this the special investigative team were

3071
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:46,719
like

3072
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:49,920
asked to investigate the case

3073
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:52,800
and they came away going yeah this seems

3074
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:55,599
really ridiculous and unreliable based

3075
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:56,480
on

3076
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:00,800
there were some weird plants um that

3077
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:03,520
apparently were found to be growing

3078
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:07,360
above where the wreckage supposedly was

3079
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,560
and then there was also a supposed

3080
01:57:15,669 --> 01:57:13,119
pieces of metal associated with with uh

3081
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,679
the crash debris and this one particular

3082
01:57:19,109 --> 01:57:17,920
piece of metal it looks like dude y'all

3083
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:19,119
as as

3084
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:22,239
as garage guys uh you will probably look

3085
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:23,520
at that and be like oh that's a

3086
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:26,000
such-and-such hinge on a you know 57

3087
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:28,080
chevy or whatever like it's it's it's

3088
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:30,080
like it's except it's actually been

3089
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:32,560
identified as more akin to like a a

3090
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:34,719
windmill part and well one of the parts

3091
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,520
of the story is that this

3092
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:39,360
avocado-shaped crash

3093
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:40,560
craft

3094
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:43,440
uh in while it was crashing hit a

3095
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:46,400
windmill or a tower of some sort

3096
01:57:51,109 --> 01:57:48,320
and it's just it's it's one of these

3097
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:51,119
cases where it's just it's just weird

3098
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:54,320
but yeah one of the stranger aspects

3099
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:57,119
that the lake intimates is this idea and

3100
01:58:01,350 --> 01:57:59,040
it kind of goes back to

3101
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:01,360
uh diana pasulka's

3102
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:04,239
american cosmic this idea that there are

3103
01:58:08,709 --> 01:58:07,040
these crash sites where you can just go

3104
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:08,719
and pick up debris

3105
01:58:14,149 --> 01:58:11,040
and you examine it scientifically or

3106
01:58:15,669 --> 01:58:14,159
with good scientific instrumentation and

3107
01:58:19,030 --> 01:58:15,679
discover well it's not that it couldn't

3108
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:19,040
be made on earth but nobody seems to be

3109
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:21,520
making stuff like this or it

3110
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:24,080
maybe it needs to be made in like zero

3111
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:26,239
gravity or

3112
01:58:32,310 --> 01:58:30,080
just very strange peculiar properties um

3113
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:32,320
which of course goes back into the the

3114
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,360
whole

3115
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:35,760
bigelow and all this uh crash debris

3116
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:38,080
that he was investigating seemingly

3117
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:40,800
funded partly by this atip money this

3118
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:43,520
this uh pentagon program money

3119
01:58:48,629 --> 01:58:45,280
but yeah that that that case this

3120
01:58:51,189 --> 01:58:48,639
trinity case that valet uh so he hooked

3121
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:51,199
up with uh paolo harris because she'd

3122
01:58:55,109 --> 01:58:53,040
already been investigating this

3123
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:55,119
and um

3124
01:58:58,070 --> 01:58:56,560
you know

3125
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:58,080
in some ways i was a little surprised

3126
01:59:01,990 --> 01:59:00,400
too that he uh hooked up with her just

3127
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:02,000
because i didn't really know much about

3128
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,880
her

3129
01:59:07,270 --> 01:59:04,400
uh

3130
01:59:10,149 --> 01:59:07,280
her research but i i did know that she

3131
01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:10,159
seemed to tend towards um

3132
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:10,960
more

3133
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:12,239
of the

3134
01:59:16,790 --> 01:59:13,840
less rigorous

3135
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,800
scientific investigation style but

3136
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:18,080
you know

3137
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:20,159
i've i've expanded my

3138
01:59:25,030 --> 01:59:23,040
horizons and looked at myself and and

3139
01:59:26,709 --> 01:59:25,040
read his book and you know he's like i

3140
01:59:30,070 --> 01:59:26,719
say somebody who i

3141
01:59:34,229 --> 01:59:30,080
i trust but i will say

3142
01:59:38,310 --> 01:59:37,109
on the inside and the outside yes he's

3143
01:59:40,790 --> 01:59:38,320
you know published a book on the

3144
01:59:41,589 --> 01:59:40,800
invisible college because he was you

3145
01:59:43,750 --> 01:59:41,599
know

3146
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:43,760
keeping he and his other colleagues uh

3147
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:46,320
researched on the download yeah

3148
01:59:50,149 --> 01:59:48,719
but he's also always had security

3149
01:59:51,270 --> 01:59:50,159
clearances

3150
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:51,280
right

3151
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:53,760
so like with and and he said at this

3152
01:59:57,830 --> 01:59:55,199
this conference this past weekend you

3153
01:59:59,669 --> 01:59:57,840
know he's like i i'm i when when he was

3154
02:00:01,589 --> 01:59:59,679
helping start the original remote

3155
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:01,599
viewing program at stanford research

3156
02:00:07,589 --> 02:00:04,320
institute sri in california where hal

3157
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:07,599
put off austin's own austin yeah

3158
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:08,960
i was going to ask you earlier is he

3159
02:00:13,030 --> 02:00:10,719
circling around those consciousness

3160
02:00:15,270 --> 02:00:13,040
groups

3161
02:00:16,870 --> 02:00:15,280
i wish i had bumped into him we're

3162
02:00:18,229 --> 02:00:16,880
trying to get him on topless tuesday

3163
02:00:20,950 --> 02:00:18,239
right now and he had just yeah he's

3164
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:20,960
responsible i don't understand it i

3165
02:00:24,149 --> 02:00:22,960
don't know

3166
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:24,159
we just want to see

3167
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:33,030
well then he could come on on thursday

3168
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:35,920
and wear a t-shirt okay like

3169
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:38,960
we gave him options yeah

3170
02:00:42,790 --> 02:00:41,040
he's a fascinating fellow and he's been

3171
02:00:44,629 --> 02:00:42,800
at the center of so many of these i mean

3172
02:00:45,430 --> 02:00:44,639
it was so amazing to discover that he

3173
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:45,440
was

3174
02:00:51,669 --> 02:00:48,400
um uh part of the the the

3175
02:00:54,950 --> 02:00:51,679
de long's ttsa it was like okay so

3176
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:54,960
and also the you know uh this he was one

3177
02:00:59,109 --> 02:00:57,040
of the consultants for this uh pentagon

3178
02:01:00,390 --> 02:00:59,119
program so like with the the remote

3179
02:01:05,350 --> 02:01:00,400
viewing program

3180
02:01:08,629 --> 02:01:05,360
went on for about 20 years for about 20

3181
02:01:12,390 --> 02:01:08,639
23 million dollars that is chump change

3182
02:01:14,470 --> 02:01:12,400
for these kinds of programs and and yet

3183
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:14,480
to my estimation they did amazing work i

3184
02:01:17,109 --> 02:01:15,920
mean i know i have skeptic friends who

3185
02:01:19,109 --> 02:01:17,119
think that you know all the remote

3186
02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:19,119
viewing stuff is crap and [\h__\h] but i

3187
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:22,320
i honestly i think parapsychology data

3188
02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:24,159
is some of the best out there you know

3189
02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:25,840
there's this revolution

3190
02:01:31,189 --> 02:01:29,440
in science right now or kind of a crisis

3191
02:01:32,790 --> 02:01:31,199
of this whole idea of science and

3192
02:01:35,669 --> 02:01:32,800
replicability you know being able to

3193
02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:35,679
replicate the findings of another uh

3194
02:01:38,709 --> 02:01:36,960
researcher and that's that's the

3195
02:01:41,990 --> 02:01:38,719
foundation of science is this

3196
02:01:44,950 --> 02:01:42,000
replicability you know being able to

3197
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:44,960
reproduce the exact same results as the

3198
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:46,560
person who made the claim in the first

3199
02:01:49,750 --> 02:01:48,080
place and now there's

3200
02:01:51,830 --> 02:01:49,760
uh all this evidence that that seems to

3201
02:01:54,229 --> 02:01:51,840
be a real problem

3202
02:01:55,669 --> 02:01:54,239
out there in the real world but as

3203
02:01:56,790 --> 02:01:55,679
somebody at this conference this past

3204
02:01:59,270 --> 02:01:56,800
weekend said

3205
02:02:01,270 --> 02:01:59,280
not with parapsychology data

3206
02:02:05,270 --> 02:02:01,280
um they have some of the most rigorous

3207
02:02:06,950 --> 02:02:05,280
uh uh replicability so anyway it's

3208
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:06,960
really cool man like

3209
02:02:11,510 --> 02:02:09,599
it's also very challenging too because

3210
02:02:12,390 --> 02:02:11,520
you know you start looking at these guys

3211
02:02:16,310 --> 02:02:12,400
you know

3212
02:02:19,270 --> 02:02:16,320
uh how put off or or jacques valet or

3213
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:19,280
any you know it's some of the other

3214
02:02:23,589 --> 02:02:21,280
names you know

3215
02:02:25,430 --> 02:02:23,599
and geez man like

3216
02:02:27,270 --> 02:02:25,440
some of these guys start talking and

3217
02:02:29,589 --> 02:02:27,280
then you start looking into things like

3218
02:02:33,189 --> 02:02:29,599
the invisible college or the theoretical

3219
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:33,199
physics working group aka aver aviary

3220
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:35,360
stuff and you're like

3221
02:02:37,270 --> 02:02:36,159
whoo

3222
02:02:39,750 --> 02:02:37,280
okay

3223
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:39,760
i'd like what they said but at the same

3224
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:41,840
time hmm

3225
02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:44,000
like you were talking about this whole

3226
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:47,679
like recreation of the phenomena to kind

3227
02:02:52,070 --> 02:02:50,960
of persuade people in a certain way

3228
02:02:54,709 --> 02:02:52,080
and like

3229
02:02:55,510 --> 02:02:54,719
to me some of these some of these people

3230
02:02:57,510 --> 02:02:55,520
like

3231
02:02:59,669 --> 02:02:57,520
fall into that category yeah and then

3232
02:03:02,149 --> 02:02:59,679
you i i'm the same way though dude i

3233
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:02,159
love jacques valet simply for the fact

3234
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:04,719
that he believes in science and he

3235
02:03:09,589 --> 02:03:07,199
thinks it's great but also he doesn't

3236
02:03:10,229 --> 02:03:09,599
believe it to be the end-all be-all you

3237
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:10,239
know

3238
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:12,880
you use your words and and i

3239
02:03:17,910 --> 02:03:15,679
i love that about the guy you know i

3240
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:17,920
love hearing scientists say

3241
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:20,800
yeah i do science but also there's a lot

3242
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:22,560
of [\h__\h] i can't explain with science i

3243
02:03:26,229 --> 02:03:24,719
love when scientists say that man it

3244
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:26,239
makes me so happy

3245
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:28,880
you know i love that and so it adds a

3246
02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:31,040
little bit of trust to some of those

3247
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:32,800
people but at the same time you always

3248
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:33,920
got to keep your little guard up a

3249
02:03:37,189 --> 02:03:35,280
little bit you know use a little

3250
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:37,199
discernment with it but then they get

3251
02:03:40,229 --> 02:03:38,480
into some stuff that you're like i'm not

3252
02:03:43,030 --> 02:03:40,239
even smart enough to understand what

3253
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:43,040
he's saying how do i know i'm just a

3254
02:03:50,629 --> 02:03:49,669
i'm right there with you man um

3255
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:50,639
so

3256
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:53,360
yeah at in this conference this weekend

3257
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:55,440
when valet was alluding to that remote

3258
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:58,000
viewing research he he was right at the

3259
02:04:01,189 --> 02:03:59,280
forefront of

3260
02:04:03,750 --> 02:04:01,199
helping um

3261
02:04:06,629 --> 02:04:03,760
get this program off the ground and he

3262
02:04:08,790 --> 02:04:06,639
advocated he said it this weekend i i

3263
02:04:11,589 --> 02:04:08,800
advocated for some of this stuff being

3264
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:11,599
kept secret and that was largely because

3265
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:13,440
again this was being funded by the

3266
02:04:17,109 --> 02:04:15,040
military industrial complex the

3267
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:17,119
intelligence agencies

3268
02:04:20,790 --> 02:04:19,199
so that they could use it for spycraft

3269
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:20,800
and you know

3270
02:04:22,709 --> 02:04:21,920
part of the other

3271
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:22,719
uh

3272
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:24,480
presentation at this weekend's

3273
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:26,480
conference was edwin may edwin may ran

3274
02:04:30,229 --> 02:04:28,239
these programs the stargate program

3275
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:30,239
grill frame and all its other mini names

3276
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:32,400
um dude i got to walk with him from the

3277
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:34,560
hotel to the conference and

3278
02:04:39,270 --> 02:04:36,960
i i was so like i didn't know what to

3279
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:39,280
say i was just like

3280
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:42,000
such a fan boy but like oh you know

3281
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,000
what are you doing just i've tried to

3282
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:46,560
emulate your you know inspirational

3283
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:49,280
research and and he's you know pretty

3284
02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:51,599
pretty funny he had some bad jokes but

3285
02:04:56,790 --> 02:04:54,000
uh he did he gave he went got up and did

3286
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:56,800
his presentation so edwin mays archives

3287
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:58,960
are at the archives of the impossible at

3288
02:05:03,669 --> 02:05:01,360
rice university uh there's so many

3289
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:03,679
amazing collections there like the three

3290
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:06,960
big biggest ones uh would be

3291
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:09,119
valet

3292
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:11,440
edwin may and um

3293
02:05:17,189 --> 02:05:15,510
whitley strieber the communion letters

3294
02:05:18,950 --> 02:05:17,199
uh you know thousands of these these

3295
02:05:20,950 --> 02:05:18,960
letters that were written to uh he and

3296
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:20,960
ann strieber uh in the wake of the

3297
02:05:25,030 --> 02:05:23,280
communion books publication

3298
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:25,040
but there's so many other stuff there

3299
02:05:27,109 --> 02:05:25,760
but

3300
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:27,119
yeah edwin they got up and did his

3301
02:05:29,990 --> 02:05:29,199
presentation on parapsychology research

3302
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:30,000
and

3303
02:05:33,830 --> 02:05:32,320
um he also did a whole big section on

3304
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:33,840
the russians because of course the

3305
02:05:37,510 --> 02:05:35,599
russians were avidly

3306
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:37,520
uh in investigating all this stuff at

3307
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:39,520
the same time and boy was it timely

3308
02:05:41,990 --> 02:05:40,560
given

3309
02:05:43,669 --> 02:05:42,000
i mean

3310
02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:43,679
i swear to god man during this

3311
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:46,239
conference my friend from sweden uh

3312
02:05:50,390 --> 02:05:48,800
claus who i just met this first time at

3313
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:50,400
one point during one of the lectures he

3314
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:52,000
leans over to me and he shows me his

3315
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:54,480
phone and the headline is the russians

3316
02:05:57,589 --> 02:05:55,119
are

3317
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:57,599
shelling a nuclear power plant and i'm

3318
02:06:02,629 --> 02:06:00,480
just like oh my god man please why did

3319
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:02,639
you show me that i cannot deal with that

3320
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:03,520
right now

3321
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:04,400
but

3322
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:07,360
um you know yeah we're not we're not

3323
02:06:11,109 --> 02:06:09,440
we're not isolated uh these you know

3324
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:11,119
we're we're still living in this this

3325
02:06:14,870 --> 02:06:12,800
crazy world but

3326
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:14,880
but valet yes uh

3327
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:19,440
um always had his foot in in uh both

3328
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:23,360
camps um and it's that spooky world

3329
02:06:29,109 --> 02:06:25,760
of the intelligence uh community that

3330
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:29,119
that i i respect that he's you know

3331
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:31,760
obviously he's uh he's a high roller you

3332
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:32,800
know he's a

3333
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:34,800
literally a capitalist investor that's

3334
02:06:40,229 --> 02:06:37,440
how you know he he invests in

3335
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:40,239
uh high tech and uh has always been at

3336
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:41,679
the cutting edge

3337
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:45,679
uh and um but that also ends up

3338
02:06:50,550 --> 02:06:48,480
involving in as you were saying with lou

3339
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:50,560
those in dnas those ndas those

3340
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:52,880
non-disclosure agreements um uh in the

3341
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:55,440
case of of lou and and government

3342
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:57,520
employees you know it's it's it's more

3343
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:00,560
than an intellectual property nda it's a

3344
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:02,480
you know this is national [\h__\h]

3345
02:07:08,550 --> 02:07:05,760
security and you will not spill your yes

3346
02:07:10,390 --> 02:07:08,560
um um nobody will lock you up and nobody

3347
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:10,400
will ever hear from you again type [\h__\h]

3348
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:12,000
guantanamo

3349
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:17,040
yeah you're like lou you ran that place

3350
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:18,880
you know what happened to guantanamo bay

3351
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:19,920
you know

3352
02:07:25,910 --> 02:07:23,840
i you bro you brought it up man

3353
02:07:28,390 --> 02:07:25,920
i'm still waiting for some kind of real

3354
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:28,400
expose on lou and i you know everybody i

3355
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:30,159
know who's met him has just the nicest

3356
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:31,920
things to say about him and and he seems

3357
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:33,440
like such a nice guy and so i'm not

3358
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:35,920
trying to impute his character but he

3359
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:38,639
his involvement with that aspect of

3360
02:07:43,750 --> 02:07:40,960
the the war on terror just terrifies me

3361
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:43,760
but um yeah he seems like such a nice

3362
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:45,679
guy i can't wait to meet him someday he

3363
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:47,440
seems like a great guy i mean you know

3364
02:07:50,470 --> 02:07:48,960
like i told him the first time we

3365
02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:50,480
interviewed him it's like hey lou i'm so

3366
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:52,320
skeptical of you but you seem like a

3367
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:54,480
nice dude you know

3368
02:07:59,350 --> 02:07:57,119
you get it right i mean you know given

3369
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:59,360
the history of the subject you know like

3370
02:08:03,270 --> 02:08:01,040
people dying and stuff like we're a

3371
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:03,280
little skeptical you get it don't you

3372
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:05,199
he's like yeah i get it

3373
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:07,360
well that's it

3374
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:09,360
i mean the origins of this whole

3375
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:12,159
disclosure such as it is are really

3376
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:15,920
creepy i mean with with tom delong's uh

3377
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:17,520
with the emails that came out through

3378
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:20,239
wikileaks you know this is the one the

3379
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:22,560
one thing and from my essay again that i

3380
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:25,040
i harp on a lot and that's that that

3381
02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:27,760
email between him and podesta

3382
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:30,320
uh between delong and podesta where and

3383
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:32,159
and these other generals or whoever

3384
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:34,239
these these highfalutin military types

3385
02:08:37,030 --> 02:08:35,840
are that he's trying to get this ball

3386
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:37,040
rolling on

3387
02:08:40,950 --> 02:08:39,119
he says this whole project is about

3388
02:08:44,069 --> 02:08:40,960
revitalizing

3389
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:44,079
the image the negative image that my

3390
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:46,560
generation has of and younger

3391
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,520
generations have of the

3392
02:08:52,149 --> 02:08:49,520
military-industrial complex we want to

3393
02:08:54,950 --> 02:08:52,159
try to explain to them why you did what

3394
02:08:57,430 --> 02:08:54,960
you did and why it was right

3395
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:57,440
and i'm i the moment i read that i was

3396
02:09:01,910 --> 02:09:00,800
like [\h__\h] that man like i'm sorry like

3397
02:09:07,270 --> 02:09:01,920
i

3398
02:09:10,069 --> 02:09:07,280
but you know

3399
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,079
you do not follow unlawful orders

3400
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:12,320
right but i know this is a complex issue

3401
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:13,920
and i'm not trying to throw anybody i

3402
02:09:18,629 --> 02:09:16,560
love this issue i love it yeah so but

3403
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:18,639
it's why i've been so skeptical of this

3404
02:09:23,669 --> 02:09:21,840
whole uh this the whole ttsa thing from

3405
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:23,679
the very beginning and i really think

3406
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:26,239
it's obvious now that he that the long

3407
02:09:32,069 --> 02:09:29,119
was used as as most useful idiots are he

3408
02:09:34,870 --> 02:09:32,079
was he was a means to an end to get this

3409
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:34,880
ball rolling on on this weird

3410
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:36,480
media campaign

3411
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:39,360
and again it it i i believe

3412
02:09:45,830 --> 02:09:42,880
that it seems like elizondo and melon

3413
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:45,840
and the others who have been

3414
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,280
facilitating this

3415
02:09:51,189 --> 02:09:49,599
they seem to have legitimate

3416
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:51,199
personal interest in these things and

3417
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:53,760
that's why i'm really like guy y'all got

3418
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:56,480
you you gotta get out of lou

3419
02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:58,320
what what those personal experiences are

3420
02:10:02,709 --> 02:10:00,239
because he still won't crack on that i

3421
02:10:06,390 --> 02:10:02,719
know man he won't but but maybe we go

3422
02:10:08,629 --> 02:10:06,400
visit him in in uh in idaho

3423
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:08,639
we crack open a ball of whiskey and just

3424
02:10:18,229 --> 02:10:16,390
the thing is he's like hey look i'm

3425
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:18,239
doing a service to the american people

3426
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:19,920
by not saying anything and i'm like hey

3427
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:21,840
lou i'm an american will you [\h__\h]

3428
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:23,599
spill your guts please don't be a

3429
02:10:27,589 --> 02:10:25,920
service all right just just whispered in

3430
02:10:31,750 --> 02:10:27,599
my ear come on tell me oh you haven't

3431
02:10:36,069 --> 02:10:34,149
we're gonna be all hammered drunk it was

3432
02:10:40,709 --> 02:10:36,079
chilled and you won't remember what he

3433
02:10:43,910 --> 02:10:42,069
we'll have to wear our secret space

3434
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:43,920
force hats with slinkies and put cameras

3435
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:45,440
in them dudes

3436
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:47,679
[\h__\h]

3437
02:10:52,709 --> 02:10:50,050
we'll go in bugged

3438
02:10:54,709 --> 02:10:52,719
[Laughter]

3439
02:10:56,709 --> 02:10:54,719
hey man hey

3440
02:10:58,950 --> 02:10:56,719
speak to the microphone

3441
02:11:00,870 --> 02:10:58,960
would you say about that thing luke

3442
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:00,880
i'm just a picture of a nipple dude what

3443
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:03,679
i do man i'm i'm assuming here but i

3444
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:05,280
would assume that like if you walked in

3445
02:11:08,790 --> 02:11:07,119
with a bug on you like some [\h__\h] would

3446
02:11:10,470 --> 02:11:08,800
go off and lose house to let you know

3447
02:11:12,470 --> 02:11:10,480
that you're bugged like before you even

3448
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:12,480
came out the driveway like oh this guy's

3449
02:11:15,910 --> 02:11:14,800
bugged

3450
02:11:18,149 --> 02:11:15,920
yeah

3451
02:11:20,550 --> 02:11:18,159
that was crazy

3452
02:11:23,030 --> 02:11:20,560
all of which is to say

3453
02:11:26,550 --> 02:11:23,040
um you know

3454
02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:26,560
my good friend greg bishop um did uh his

3455
02:11:31,669 --> 02:11:28,960
book project beta about the paul

3456
02:11:34,629 --> 02:11:31,679
benowitz case the the case where here's

3457
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:34,639
a electronics expert who uh actually you

3458
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:36,159
know worked with the air force and the

3459
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:38,639
military did contracts

3460
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:42,239
but he was really [\h__\h] over by uh

3461
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:45,119
aphasia the uh air force offices special

3462
02:11:51,270 --> 02:11:48,000
investigations and and various other nsa

3463
02:11:52,629 --> 02:11:51,280
cia god knows how many alphabet agencies

3464
02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:52,639
because he

3465
02:11:55,910 --> 02:11:53,760
was seeing

3466
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:55,920
and recording things happening on the

3467
02:11:59,830 --> 02:11:58,639
base that he wasn't supposed to

3468
02:12:03,830 --> 02:11:59,840
and

3469
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:03,840
you can read a variety of uh versions of

3470
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:05,040
this story

3471
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:06,560
um

3472
02:12:11,189 --> 02:12:09,520
greg's book project beta chris lambreitz

3473
02:12:13,750 --> 02:12:11,199
ex descending

3474
02:12:15,830 --> 02:12:13,760
and my good friend adam go rightly's

3475
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:15,840
book what's it called

3476
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:16,960
actually this is the other book that i

3477
02:12:21,270 --> 02:12:18,960
read recently that just was one of the

3478
02:12:23,430 --> 02:12:21,280
fastest reads i've ever read and all the

3479
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:23,440
whole alien underground base all the

3480
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:25,760
majestic 12 documents all the classic

3481
02:12:32,709 --> 02:12:31,119
classic 80s uh 90s uh um crazy uh ufo

3482
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:32,719
stuff

3483
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:36,880
about military and and alien uh uh uh

3484
02:12:42,069 --> 02:12:38,719
treaties and weird underground bases

3485
02:12:43,430 --> 02:12:42,079
stuff um is in uh explicated in these

3486
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:43,440
books but particularly in the most

3487
02:12:47,430 --> 02:12:45,440
recent one adam goratli's books which i

3488
02:12:49,510 --> 02:12:47,440
think is called

3489
02:12:51,109 --> 02:12:49,520
spooks kooks and saucer spies or

3490
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:51,119
something like that

3491
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:52,800
i had it in my in my office i was going

3492
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:54,880
to show it but um

3493
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:56,639
really fun quick read and a great

3494
02:13:00,470 --> 02:12:58,480
overview of all this stuff and if like

3495
02:13:02,229 --> 02:13:00,480
if that's your thing like that's a great

3496
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:02,239
place to start and then you can dive

3497
02:13:06,390 --> 02:13:04,480
into all the details but

3498
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:06,400
it all comes back to you know playing

3499
02:13:12,470 --> 02:13:09,920
the game and i i've i've not really

3500
02:13:14,550 --> 02:13:12,480
done this myself thankfully because it

3501
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:14,560
can lead you down to some really crazy

3502
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:17,040
dark rabbit holes of paranoia

3503
02:13:20,229 --> 02:13:18,560
leads you into what they call chapel

3504
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:20,239
perilous where you know the dark knight

3505
02:13:23,830 --> 02:13:22,719
of the soul where you know you either

3506
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:23,840
come out

3507
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:25,199
uh uh

3508
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:27,840
change on the other side or you don't

3509
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:30,560
come out and you're either crazy or dead

3510
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:32,159
um but

3511
02:13:35,589 --> 02:13:33,679
there's so much of this that has that

3512
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:35,599
feel and especially and it's it's the

3513
02:13:39,990 --> 02:13:37,760
same thing for the experiencers and they

3514
02:13:41,510 --> 02:13:40,000
may not actually be it may be different

3515
02:13:42,229 --> 02:13:41,520
they're not interacting necessarily with

3516
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:42,239
the

3517
02:13:54,149 --> 02:13:52,480
going through

3518
02:13:55,830 --> 02:13:54,159
uh a dark night of the soul where you

3519
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:55,840
know they they're trying to make sense

3520
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:57,599
of their reality and

3521
02:14:01,109 --> 02:13:58,800
um

3522
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:01,119
so some i guess what i'm saying is

3523
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:03,679
beware which uh threads you pull on and

3524
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:05,360
which which avenues and which dark

3525
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:07,840
allies you go down do you want to steer

3526
02:14:10,950 --> 02:14:09,360
clear of some stuff

3527
02:14:13,669 --> 02:14:10,960
all right

3528
02:14:15,510 --> 02:14:13,679
yeah man that that that bennowitz case

3529
02:14:16,870 --> 02:14:15,520
man like

3530
02:14:18,950 --> 02:14:16,880
i forgot what the name what was the name

3531
02:14:20,790 --> 02:14:18,960
of that documentary mini mystery or

3532
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:20,800
mystery man

3533
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:22,480
mirage man they

3534
02:14:27,189 --> 02:14:24,719
dude i had to watch i had to watch that

3535
02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:27,199
[\h__\h] like five times you'd be like dude

3536
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:28,960
that one was

3537
02:14:33,510 --> 02:14:30,639
some of the stuff i was like wait what

3538
02:14:36,550 --> 02:14:33,520
did you just say yeah yeah oh my god

3539
02:14:38,149 --> 02:14:36,560
goodness oh my god excellent book uh

3540
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:38,159
it's there's a there's a book called

3541
02:14:43,589 --> 02:14:40,880
mirage bin by mark pilkington

3542
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:43,599
uh and he and uh his filmmaker friends

3543
02:14:48,149 --> 02:14:46,560
did the the documentary uh based on that

3544
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:48,159
uh great stuff

3545
02:14:52,870 --> 02:14:49,119
um

3546
02:14:57,030 --> 02:14:52,880
focusing on what i would i'll call the

3547
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:57,040
the ufos the faux the false faux ufos um

3548
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:59,360
the the human manipulation factor which

3549
02:15:03,510 --> 02:15:01,199
as i said earlier is something i think

3550
02:15:05,750 --> 02:15:03,520
people should be uh very careful about

3551
02:15:08,069 --> 02:15:05,760
and aware of

3552
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:08,079
but it's not necessarily what is really

3553
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:10,320
going on as far as what the

3554
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:12,480
true ufo phenomena is whatever that

3555
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:15,440
might be whether it's extraterrestrial

3556
02:15:17,910 --> 02:15:17,040
gaia herself

3557
02:15:19,350 --> 02:15:17,920
um

3558
02:15:21,910 --> 02:15:19,360
that's that's the the planetary

3559
02:15:23,510 --> 02:15:21,920
poltergeist aspect of my essay that's i

3560
02:15:25,750 --> 02:15:23,520
did see that in the essay even though it

3561
02:15:27,270 --> 02:15:25,760
focuses on the human aspect but this

3562
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:27,280
idea that

3563
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:31,360
i i think that you know

3564
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:33,679
to me the ufo phenomena and if i'm going

3565
02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:36,719
to sum up my ideas here perhaps to to

3566
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:38,960
end my uh contribution to this wonderful

3567
02:15:42,229 --> 02:15:39,840
evening

3568
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:42,239
is that we

3569
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:44,320
are living in a

3570
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:48,000
and we are living within an organism

3571
02:15:54,189 --> 02:15:51,199
and this organism allows us access

3572
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:57,030
everywhere and every when

3573
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:57,920
uh

3574
02:16:02,310 --> 02:15:59,599
and that is the nature of psychic

3575
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:02,320
phenomena that we have access to all

3576
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:04,800
points in time all points in space all

3577
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:07,840
information that is the nature of of

3578
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:09,119
consciousness

3579
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:12,000
and there are places on this planet

3580
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:14,560
where the veil is thinner and we have

3581
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,560
more direct access to that

3582
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:18,639
and there are technologies and

3583
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:21,280
circumstances that we can utilize to

3584
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:23,040
gain access to that whether it's

3585
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,040
psychedelic drugs in some cases or

3586
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:27,760
psychotronic technologies that that

3587
02:16:31,830 --> 02:16:29,360
affect human consciousness just through

3588
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:31,840
simple things like hey man the most

3589
02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:35,200
ancient mind control technology

3590
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:36,639
fire

3591
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:40,800
you know the flickering the flickering

3592
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:41,840
lights

3593
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:46,559
rhythmic sounds rhythmic vibrations all

3594
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:48,080
these things can entrain your brain

3595
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:50,240
waves and cause alterative consciousness

3596
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:52,559
this is how the monroe institute

3597
02:16:57,589 --> 02:16:55,840
patented the hemisink technology of

3598
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:57,599
inducing altered states of consciousness

3599
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:59,599
aka in their case out-of-body

3600
02:17:01,830 --> 02:17:00,800
experiences

3601
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:01,840
yes

3602
02:17:06,230 --> 02:17:04,080
all these things can be used to gain

3603
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,240
access to this other realm and that

3604
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:08,800
other realm psychic phenomena is how

3605
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:10,800
this anomalous cognition anomalous

3606
02:17:15,830 --> 02:17:13,760
information transfer aka esp

3607
02:17:18,469 --> 02:17:15,840
this is how other consciousness and

3608
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:18,479
intelligence can interact with us

3609
02:17:21,030 --> 02:17:19,200
so

3610
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:21,040
when i think of the ufo phenomena i

3611
02:17:25,830 --> 02:17:23,760
think of it as being a trans personal

3612
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:25,840
virtual reality communications channel

3613
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:29,760
and by that i mean stanislav groff the

3614
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:32,719
the pioneer of lsd psychotherapy talked

3615
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:35,760
about uh transpersonal experiences these

3616
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:38,000
experiences that seem to be

3617
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:40,719
go beyond normal

3618
02:17:44,790 --> 02:17:42,960
everyday experiences

3619
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:44,800
and the in his case he patented

3620
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:47,359
holotropic breath work he patented

3621
02:17:50,950 --> 02:17:49,120
breathing dudes

3622
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:50,960
i was gonna say dude

3623
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:53,280
like like basically hyperventilating

3624
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:54,800
like creating an altered state of

3625
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:56,479
consciousness through your breathing i

3626
02:18:01,030 --> 02:17:58,319
mean you know and what is all just basic

3627
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:01,040
yoga and and basic you know uh uh

3628
02:18:04,469 --> 02:18:02,880
meditation is just

3629
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:04,479
getting getting in control of your

3630
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:06,719
breathing it's all about

3631
02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:08,240
you know attaining different levels of

3632
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:09,439
consciousness through the basics i'm

3633
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:12,000
thinking about my dream my breathing

3634
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:14,080
oh god

3635
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:16,160
can you hear me i'm heavy breathing into

3636
02:18:19,589 --> 02:18:18,080
the bike

3637
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:19,599
so

3638
02:18:22,870 --> 02:18:22,000
but but what we know from these altered

3639
02:18:24,309 --> 02:18:22,880
states of consciousness and

3640
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:24,319
parapsychology research is they

3641
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:27,519
facilitate communication with

3642
02:18:31,349 --> 02:18:29,519
our higher selves

3643
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,359
with these other things that we call

3644
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:33,519
aliens we call others we don't because

3645
02:18:37,190 --> 02:18:35,040
we don't really know

3646
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:37,200
truly what they are who they are where

3647
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:39,280
they are where they're from

3648
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:42,240
but whatever the [\h__\h] they are

3649
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:43,359
they

3650
02:18:50,830 --> 02:18:47,840
often help us inform

3651
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:50,840
our lives and

3652
02:18:57,589 --> 02:18:53,599
um they just seem to give us access to

3653
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:57,599
this this realm that that that we can

3654
02:19:01,349 --> 02:18:59,359
i mean the secrets of the universe are

3655
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:01,359
just right there right here with us

3656
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:03,359
right now we just have to get in that

3657
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:07,200
right mode and and tap into that and yes

3658
02:19:12,389 --> 02:19:10,000
and yes everything and everything is

3659
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,399
consciousness so you know if that's the

3660
02:19:16,070 --> 02:19:14,399
if when i think of

3661
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:16,080
something lou said in y'all's last

3662
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:17,200
interview when he was talking about the

3663
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,599
biomass of the planet and like oh

3664
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:21,439
suddenly we discover microorganisms and

3665
02:19:25,589 --> 02:19:23,359
guess what they outweigh us on this

3666
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:25,599
planet it was like well well what if all

3667
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:27,200
these things have consciousness of some

3668
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:28,880
variety or another and we talked about

3669
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:30,080
jungian

3670
02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:32,559
carl jung the psychotherapist and his

3671
02:19:36,389 --> 02:19:34,639
ideas of the collective unconscious and

3672
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:36,399
old ancient ideas about the akashic

3673
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:39,040
records and and all these ideas about

3674
02:19:45,349 --> 02:19:42,559
this other realm that we can access

3675
02:19:47,429 --> 02:19:45,359
this non-local non-temporal everything

3676
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:47,439
is everywhere all the time

3677
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,479
it's all just information it's all just

3678
02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:53,120
information and we can tap into that

3679
02:19:57,110 --> 02:19:55,120
but then so then what how these alien

3680
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:57,120
others are they so alien

3681
02:20:02,070 --> 02:20:00,399
is is the is the is is it are we

3682
02:20:03,590 --> 02:20:02,080
encountering the archetypes of our own

3683
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:03,600
collective unconscious in the jungian

3684
02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:05,920
way are are these the consciousness of

3685
02:20:09,670 --> 02:20:08,319
the planet are these gaia are these uh

3686
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:09,680
the organism

3687
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:11,600
of the planet herself

3688
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:13,920
trying to get us ready for off-world

3689
02:20:17,990 --> 02:20:15,439
encounters like

3690
02:20:19,429 --> 02:20:18,000
like oh all the all these ufo alien

3691
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:19,439
abductions that's all just a

3692
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:21,920
hallucination i induced as gaia to

3693
02:20:25,429 --> 02:20:24,000
prepare you for the real thing when it

3694
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:25,439
finally comes

3695
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:27,040
maybe maybe not probably

3696
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:28,399
probably not

3697
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:30,640
planetary poltergeist man we are haunted

3698
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:33,200
by phantasms these physicalized thought

3699
02:20:37,510 --> 02:20:34,800
forms these tulpas

3700
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:37,520
um they are the thing they the all these

3701
02:20:41,750 --> 02:20:39,520
things make up these the they create the

3702
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:41,760
myths uh that inform our religions and

3703
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:43,280
our culture

3704
02:20:47,030 --> 02:20:45,359
and i think it's about time that we kind

3705
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:47,040
of step back maybe

3706
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:49,760
and re-evaluate and and

3707
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:51,439
choose

3708
02:20:56,309 --> 02:20:54,479
or as whitley strieber i think said

3709
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:56,319
we need better science fiction so that

3710
02:21:03,110 --> 02:20:59,359
our ufo encounters are not so

3711
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:03,120
weirdly retro i don't know

3712
02:21:06,710 --> 02:21:04,560
i love that there's a lot more i could

3713
02:21:08,389 --> 02:21:06,720
say about that but suffice to say i i

3714
02:21:11,429 --> 02:21:08,399
think that there are mechanisms for us

3715
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:11,439
to encounter all variety of other

3716
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:14,160
consciousnesses and if if there are

3717
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:14,960
other

3718
02:21:17,830 --> 02:21:16,720
extraterrestrials which there's got to

3719
02:21:20,389 --> 02:21:17,840
be right

3720
02:21:22,469 --> 02:21:20,399
on other planets the psychic phenomena

3721
02:21:24,830 --> 02:21:22,479
that we've investigated would facilitate

3722
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:24,840
them not having to even physically come

3723
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:26,720
here if everything we know about psychic

3724
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,880
phenomena is true that the time is not

3725
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:30,800
or rather excuse me distance is not a

3726
02:21:32,630 --> 02:21:31,840
factor

3727
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:32,640
then

3728
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:33,760
they could be using the same

3729
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:35,359
trans-personal virtual reality

3730
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:38,640
communications channel um to to just

3731
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:39,439
like

3732
02:21:44,710 --> 02:21:43,920
movie contact with jody foster you know

3733
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:44,720
um

3734
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:45,600
like

3735
02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:48,080
she in a split second and has this whole

3736
02:21:51,510 --> 02:21:50,800
long encounter the van wickle effect

3737
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:51,520
where

3738
02:21:55,030 --> 02:21:53,359
you know uh

3739
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:55,040
oh i'm i'm appearing as your father

3740
02:21:59,110 --> 02:21:56,319
because well that's what you can deal

3741
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:59,120
with you know right yeah right and and

3742
02:22:03,110 --> 02:22:00,800
and that's something that strieber and

3743
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:03,120
so many others this comes up over and

3744
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,120
over again this this this

3745
02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:07,280
the connection between the afterlife and

3746
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:08,479
the dead

3747
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:11,120
and the ufo experience and that's that

3748
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:13,439
seems dark and weird but it's actually

3749
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:16,160
it may actually be maybe part of the key

3750
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:17,840
i don't know

3751
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:20,479
i can't wait till um

3752
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:22,160
the video was posted for this weekend's

3753
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:25,200
conference man um they live streamed the

3754
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:26,080
main

3755
02:22:30,070 --> 02:22:26,800
big

3756
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:30,080
wig speakers valet scriber

3757
02:22:35,590 --> 02:22:33,680
diana pasulka uh leslie kane and leslie

3758
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:35,600
kane like everybody's like oh she's the

3759
02:22:39,750 --> 02:22:37,840
ufo lady she did that you know new york

3760
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:39,760
times she has have you seen her

3761
02:22:44,230 --> 02:22:41,359
afterlife series well that's what her

3762
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:44,240
lecture was about was was old school

3763
02:22:49,110 --> 02:22:46,960
spiritualism old school

3764
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:49,120
yes like man you know talk people

3765
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:50,800
talking to the dead and then wandering

3766
02:22:53,750 --> 02:22:53,040
like manifesting through ectoplasm i

3767
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:53,760
mean

3768
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:58,000
some levels i'm like have we not made

3769
02:23:01,510 --> 02:22:59,439
any progress

3770
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:01,520
on other level i'm like i've got this

3771
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:04,960
polaroid with snot on it i swear to god

3772
02:23:09,270 --> 02:23:07,680
dan aykroyd can't be wrong

3773
02:23:10,630 --> 02:23:09,280
yes

3774
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:10,640
god dude

3775
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:13,200
i love it freaking beautiful uh that was

3776
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:15,280
a great way to sum it up

3777
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:17,359
i want to hit on a couple things just

3778
02:23:21,670 --> 02:23:18,479
really quick

3779
02:23:22,710 --> 02:23:21,680
one you had mentioned fire

3780
02:23:25,190 --> 02:23:22,720
and

3781
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:25,200
right here in my house in in the

3782
02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:26,479
backyard

3783
02:23:30,630 --> 02:23:28,399
i won't mention any names but we're

3784
02:23:32,550 --> 02:23:30,640
sitting there with a with a

3785
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:32,560
crystal with a k

3786
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:34,000
a

3787
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:38,319
his

3788
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:41,920
and we're just kind of hanging out

3789
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:45,680
and he uh he's smoking a cigarette

3790
02:23:48,870 --> 02:23:46,399
and

3791
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:48,880
he lights his lighter

3792
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:50,720
and then he kind of just stares at it

3793
02:23:54,070 --> 02:23:52,000
for a second

3794
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:54,080
and he's staring at it

3795
02:23:59,429 --> 02:23:56,800
and i'm look i look over at him and all

3796
02:24:01,349 --> 02:23:59,439
of a sudden his friend kind of notices

3797
02:24:03,750 --> 02:24:01,359
what's happening

3798
02:24:06,710 --> 02:24:03,760
she hits him and says

3799
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,720
stop it stop it you know they're gonna

3800
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:09,040
show up if you look into it too long

3801
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:11,439
they've done it a couple times before

3802
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:14,000
stop it like she was not having it

3803
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:16,080
because she had experienced this with

3804
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:17,040
him where

3805
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:19,439
that trance that fire

3806
02:24:23,230 --> 02:24:21,760
that that original

3807
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:23,240
you know like

3808
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:26,000
technology of man like it just puts you

3809
02:24:31,910 --> 02:24:29,359
in this state and i think dude that like

3810
02:24:34,150 --> 02:24:31,920
it it completely blew my mind when you

3811
02:24:36,389 --> 02:24:34,160
said fire i was like holy [\h__\h] that's

3812
02:24:39,190 --> 02:24:36,399
exactly what i thought about and and the

3813
02:24:41,670 --> 02:24:39,200
trance and the communication between

3814
02:24:44,469 --> 02:24:41,680
these realms or whoever this is or

3815
02:24:47,349 --> 02:24:44,479
whatever this is the communication the

3816
02:24:49,270 --> 02:24:47,359
the the mindset that you're in when you

3817
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:49,280
stare at fire

3818
02:24:55,590 --> 02:24:53,600
um god and i for a second was freaking

3819
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:55,600
out too i was like

3820
02:25:00,469 --> 02:24:58,560
you dude you better if that's true

3821
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:00,479
because at this point right i'm still

3822
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:03,200
like i'm still like okay i believe you

3823
02:25:06,389 --> 02:25:04,319
right right

3824
02:25:08,710 --> 02:25:06,399
and then he starts looking at this flame

3825
02:25:10,389 --> 02:25:08,720
and i'm like don't you have something to

3826
02:25:13,510 --> 02:25:10,399
show up in my backyard dude don't you

3827
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:13,520
god damn do it and then the next day

3828
02:25:19,190 --> 02:25:16,000
the next day i totally became a believer

3829
02:25:22,150 --> 02:25:19,200
uh we'll just say that uh yeah yes dude

3830
02:25:24,150 --> 02:25:22,160
that that but yes your ex explanation

3831
02:25:25,910 --> 02:25:24,160
was totally on accident by the way

3832
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:25,920
that's not her name

3833
02:25:29,590 --> 02:25:27,439
you had made that joke a couple weeks

3834
02:25:32,070 --> 02:25:29,600
ago yeah that's not her name me crystal

3835
02:25:34,469 --> 02:25:32,080
will okay

3836
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:34,479
drank azima right sleeping you know and

3837
02:25:38,950 --> 02:25:36,640
on the back porch uh and then the second

3838
02:25:41,110 --> 02:25:38,960
thing man was dude

3839
02:25:42,870 --> 02:25:41,120
man you're such a badass dude i

3840
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:42,880
absolutely had a great time with you

3841
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:44,640
this has been one of my favorite shows

3842
02:25:49,750 --> 02:25:47,760
it's such a long time dude you're local

3843
02:25:52,950 --> 02:25:49,760
you're right here with us we need to

3844
02:25:55,270 --> 02:25:52,960
start doing like a once a month uh

3845
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:55,280
you know smiles episode where you come

3846
02:25:59,990 --> 02:25:57,920
on we talk about the anomaly archives we

3847
02:26:01,910 --> 02:26:00,000
kind of promote it we start you know we

3848
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:01,920
get a little more buzz about it dude i

3849
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:03,840
mean i'm sure you do a lot of stuff this

3850
02:26:07,990 --> 02:26:06,240
is just one extra little thing so if you

3851
02:26:10,469 --> 02:26:08,000
have a little bit of time once a month

3852
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:10,479
dude we'd love to have you on just chit

3853
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:12,080
chat because dude we could sit here and

3854
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:15,200
talk for hours literally and uh and and

3855
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:17,280
i'd love to have that opportunity to

3856
02:26:22,230 --> 02:26:19,120
just be able to chat with you way more

3857
02:26:26,710 --> 02:26:22,240
often than we have um that would be

3858
02:26:28,309 --> 02:26:26,720
awesome well thank you that i really

3859
02:26:30,230 --> 02:26:28,319
that's very nice of you to say and i

3860
02:26:31,510 --> 02:26:30,240
would love to do that with y'all and

3861
02:26:33,910 --> 02:26:31,520
there's always there's always something

3862
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:33,920
new to talk about um you know sometimes

3863
02:26:37,590 --> 02:26:35,680
like i say old is new sometimes there's

3864
02:26:39,349 --> 02:26:37,600
sometimes i'm like wasn't this the thing

3865
02:26:40,389 --> 02:26:39,359
like 20 years ago but

3866
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:40,399
um

3867
02:26:45,510 --> 02:26:43,200
it's it's so interesting man i

3868
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:45,520
i i would love to i'd love to i've been

3869
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:46,880
honored and i've been honored to be on

3870
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:48,960
your show thank you so much i'm so proud

3871
02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:51,120
of y'all y'all really i mean i remember

3872
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:52,880
when i first found y'all and i was like

3873
02:26:56,710 --> 02:26:54,960
wow okay you know great news new new

3874
02:26:58,790 --> 02:26:56,720
podcast new ufo podcast and they're

3875
02:27:00,950 --> 02:26:58,800
local that's cool and

3876
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:00,960
you know next thing i know i'm like wow

3877
02:27:06,150 --> 02:27:04,000
they've really made this work and you

3878
02:27:08,150 --> 02:27:06,160
know you you're just

3879
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:08,160
i i like with the documentary i can't

3880
02:27:13,670 --> 02:27:11,520
wait to see that and uh and i would love

3881
02:27:16,630 --> 02:27:13,680
to to be on the show again so thank you

3882
02:27:18,630 --> 02:27:16,640
so much and do it heck yeah man

3883
02:27:19,910 --> 02:27:18,640
absolutely man absolutely

3884
02:27:21,910 --> 02:27:19,920
you know what we should do we should uh

3885
02:27:24,550 --> 02:27:21,920
we should have like once a month we we

3886
02:27:26,630 --> 02:27:24,560
review uh a movie i know you're big into

3887
02:27:29,190 --> 02:27:26,640
movies as well right

3888
02:27:31,349 --> 02:27:29,200
so we should we should swap movie ideas

3889
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:31,359
we should like review that movie

3890
02:27:35,590 --> 02:27:32,800
that would be cool

3891
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:35,600
sure cool yes pop culture is where it's

3892
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:38,319
at yeah yeah you're alien movies though

3893
02:27:44,150 --> 02:27:40,560
like not just yeah yeah like you've got

3894
02:27:46,309 --> 02:27:44,160
mail like shrek like

3895
02:27:49,429 --> 02:27:46,319
classic alien movie yes ogres are

3896
02:27:51,110 --> 02:27:49,439
cryptids dude everybody knows that

3897
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:51,120
they're cryptids i've literally got

3898
02:27:56,830 --> 02:27:54,080
shrek too i've got shrek 2 playing right

3899
02:27:59,750 --> 02:27:56,840
now dude it's literally

3900
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:59,760
synchronicity yeah yes dude and then

3901
02:28:03,910 --> 02:28:01,520
we'll review our favorite smash mouth

3902
02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:05,750
hell yes

3903
02:28:08,790 --> 02:28:07,359
smiles dude hey we love you brother

3904
02:28:10,469 --> 02:28:08,800
thank you so much for being on thank you

3905
02:28:13,510 --> 02:28:10,479
thank you guys so much

3906
02:28:15,030 --> 02:28:13,520
really enjoyed it and um you know

3907
02:28:16,309 --> 02:28:15,040
we'll be we'll be seeing each other soon

3908
02:28:18,230 --> 02:28:16,319
and

3909
02:28:20,710 --> 02:28:18,240
i i can't be i can't wait to be in

3910
02:28:23,429 --> 02:28:20,720
studio with y'all again i'm sure y'all

3911
02:28:25,270 --> 02:28:23,439
looking forward to to be in uh

3912
02:28:27,429 --> 02:28:25,280
each other's presence again soon i know

3913
02:28:29,510 --> 02:28:27,439
you uh have

3914
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:29,520
your reasons for uh

3915
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:31,760
being at your separate locations but and

3916
02:28:37,190 --> 02:28:35,040
and and congrats again uh for your your

3917
02:28:39,750 --> 02:28:37,200
bringing folks into the world

3918
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:39,760
and uh and your families and thank you

3919
02:28:43,190 --> 02:28:42,080
man god bless all of you and each and

3920
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:43,200
every one

3921
02:28:46,870 --> 02:28:44,479
heck yeah man

3922
02:28:48,950 --> 02:28:46,880
awesome brother hey hello great night

3923
02:28:51,349 --> 02:28:48,960
man can't wait to talk to you again

3924
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:51,359
we'll stay in contact uh very soon man

3925
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:53,680
we'll be hitting you up all right okay

3926
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:55,280
all right brother talk to you later man

3927
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:58,800
all right thanks everybody yes sir bye

3928
02:29:02,540 --> 02:29:00,160
oh man

3929
02:29:03,750 --> 02:29:02,550
[\h__\h] dude that was so great

3930
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:03,760
[Music]

3931
02:29:08,230 --> 02:29:06,000
dude i love that guy yeah dude yeah

3932
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:08,240
absolutely sometimes sometimes your body

3933
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:10,960
just fills up with like ah

3934
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:12,800
you know and that was this was one of

3935
02:29:18,710 --> 02:29:15,439
those nights for sure man

3936
02:29:21,190 --> 02:29:18,720
i needed that so bad just like

3937
02:29:23,190 --> 02:29:21,200
just just the energy honestly dude just

3938
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:23,200
he's just a great guy he has a lot of

3939
02:29:27,349 --> 02:29:24,399
information

3940
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:30,309
to he like his perspective is so

3941
02:29:36,469 --> 02:29:33,040
uh uh refreshing even though he's been

3942
02:29:39,510 --> 02:29:36,479
in this subject for so long and knows so

3943
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:39,520
many people and it has done so much [\h__\h]

3944
02:29:44,469 --> 02:29:41,760
yeah tv radio

3945
02:29:45,910 --> 02:29:44,479
all kinds of stuff man like

3946
02:29:48,070 --> 02:29:45,920
you talk to a lot of guys that have been

3947
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:48,080
in this industry for for a really long

3948
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:49,359
time and

3949
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:51,280
i mean it's a human

3950
02:29:55,510 --> 02:29:53,760
uh thing to get to be jaded like oh i'm

3951
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:55,520
not this or i'm not that i'm

3952
02:30:00,150 --> 02:29:58,160
this this dude is just focused on

3953
02:30:02,950 --> 02:30:00,160
figuring out what's going on and just

3954
02:30:04,309 --> 02:30:02,960
enjoying life and and and researching

3955
02:30:06,309 --> 02:30:04,319
and meeting other people that are

3956
02:30:07,270 --> 02:30:06,319
interested in this stuff like just

3957
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:07,280
yeah

3958
02:30:13,429 --> 02:30:11,439
it's like it's like uh uh like he he

3959
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:13,439
definitely matched our it matched our

3960
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:15,920
wavelength you know immediately like

3961
02:30:21,510 --> 02:30:18,720
when we met the guy we were like this is

3962
02:30:23,270 --> 02:30:21,520
one of us yeah you know you know just

3963
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:23,280
way smarter

3964
02:30:31,110 --> 02:30:29,120
his perspective on stuff dude like ah

3965
02:30:32,469 --> 02:30:31,120
man it needs to be shared

3966
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:32,479
i loved

3967
02:30:38,710 --> 02:30:36,000
i love that uh uh yeah the summarizing

3968
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:38,720
at the end man because i i kind of asked

3969
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:40,640
a big question like

3970
02:30:44,830 --> 02:30:42,880
an hour an hour in and i was like oop

3971
02:30:47,830 --> 02:30:44,840
maybe should have waited for that

3972
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:47,840
one but like we eventually got to it

3973
02:30:52,550 --> 02:30:50,880
right like yes um yes

3974
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:52,560
it's it i thought it was very

3975
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:54,000
interesting that like

3976
02:30:57,429 --> 02:30:55,040
um

3977
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:57,439
someone who who has read is as much as

3978
02:31:02,150 --> 02:31:00,560
smiles has and has an archive literally

3979
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:02,160
an archive

3980
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:03,439
you know

3981
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:07,359
if yes in their their favorite case like

3982
02:31:09,910 --> 02:31:08,960
hey i don't have a favorite case like

3983
02:31:13,910 --> 02:31:09,920
i'm just

3984
02:31:16,790 --> 02:31:13,920
changing like that's such a great answer

3985
02:31:17,590 --> 02:31:16,800
i love yeah so much dude me too man me

3986
02:31:18,469 --> 02:31:17,600
too

3987
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:18,479
uh

3988
02:31:23,270 --> 02:31:20,640
guys

3989
02:31:26,070 --> 02:31:23,280
if y'all if if y'all enjoyed the show if

3990
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:26,080
y'all enjoyed what what smiles had to

3991
02:31:32,469 --> 02:31:29,680
say man uh like i said earlier

3992
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:32,479
anomaly archives smiles at anomaly

3993
02:31:37,349 --> 02:31:34,000
archives man that's who we've been

3994
02:31:39,830 --> 02:31:37,359
talking about for over a month now

3995
02:31:42,870 --> 02:31:39,840
uh and donating to help them out man

3996
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:42,880
they need a new home they've got so much

3997
02:31:48,550 --> 02:31:45,840
information and they're non-profit

3998
02:31:49,349 --> 02:31:48,560
they're literally there for you to show

3999
02:31:51,429 --> 02:31:49,359
up

4000
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:51,439
and absorb as much information as you

4001
02:31:56,710 --> 02:31:53,760
possibly can i mean dude the amount of

4002
02:31:59,590 --> 02:31:56,720
like old mufon cases and the zine

4003
02:32:02,230 --> 02:31:59,600
magazines and vhs tapes that are

4004
02:32:03,910 --> 02:32:02,240
available for you dude i mean are

4005
02:32:06,870 --> 02:32:03,920
absolutely

4006
02:32:09,110 --> 02:32:06,880
amazing i mean ben and i fell in love

4007
02:32:13,750 --> 02:32:09,120
with this place

4008
02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:13,760
from the moment we googled it i i just

4009
02:32:17,270 --> 02:32:16,080
so much amazing information

4010
02:32:19,670 --> 02:32:17,280
like i said

4011
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:19,680
you guys go to the website anytime you

4012
02:32:25,270 --> 02:32:22,640
buy a t-shirt a sticker a mug a koozie a

4013
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:25,280
pair of dave scott face panties whatever

4014
02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:27,040
it is

4015
02:32:33,590 --> 02:32:30,880
20 of that goes to helping out anomaly

4016
02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:33,600
archives it goes to helping these guys

4017
02:32:41,190 --> 02:32:37,280
out man because we feel like

4018
02:32:42,790 --> 02:32:41,200
information is power and if if if people

4019
02:32:45,590 --> 02:32:42,800
who have information don't have the

4020
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:45,600
ability to spread that information then

4021
02:32:50,710 --> 02:32:48,240
then it's useless man and there's so

4022
02:32:54,230 --> 02:32:50,720
much great stuff they have so

4023
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:54,240
much great stuff um yeah anytime y'all

4024
02:32:58,710 --> 02:32:55,680
purchase anything from us twenty percent

4025
02:33:00,630 --> 02:32:58,720
of that goes to helping them out we also

4026
02:33:02,630 --> 02:33:00,640
have a link

4027
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:02,640
uh paypal link that you can donate

4028
02:33:08,230 --> 02:33:06,160
directly to anomaly archives and help

4029
02:33:09,190 --> 02:33:08,240
them out we're trying to find them a new

4030
02:33:11,270 --> 02:33:09,200
home

4031
02:33:14,550 --> 02:33:11,280
um we're trying to help them

4032
02:33:16,950 --> 02:33:14,560
pay some rent we want them to be open

4033
02:33:18,710 --> 02:33:16,960
um and i don't know if this is selfish

4034
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:18,720
but i want to help them because i want

4035
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:20,560
to go back so bad

4036
02:33:25,750 --> 02:33:24,240
see it i want to look through these

4037
02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:25,760
books

4038
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:27,920
and uh i want to rent some [\h__\h] right

4039
02:33:30,710 --> 02:33:29,359
and bring it home with me and that's

4040
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:30,720
another cool thing about anomaly

4041
02:33:34,950 --> 02:33:33,040
archives dude is is you can you can you

4042
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:34,960
can have a little membership and you can

4043
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:37,200
go in and you can rent books and take

4044
02:33:40,790 --> 02:33:38,319
them home

4045
02:33:42,469 --> 02:33:40,800
and read them and i guarantee you you

4046
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:42,479
don't have any of these books these

4047
02:33:46,550 --> 02:33:44,240
books are amazing i've never seen

4048
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:46,560
anything like it when i went in there a

4049
02:33:51,429 --> 02:33:49,200
couple years ago i took a few pictures

4050
02:33:52,630 --> 02:33:51,439
right i took a few pictures maybe like

4051
02:33:55,830 --> 02:33:52,640
10 pictures

4052
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:55,840
and from then on out i have literally

4053
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:59,040
uh been googling stuff like every week

4054
02:34:03,349 --> 02:34:01,120
of something that i saw

4055
02:34:06,309 --> 02:34:03,359
at the anomaly archives and i learned

4056
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:06,319
something new and fascinating every week

4057
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:08,800
they have books that look just like this

4058
02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:12,000
they're even older old books they are so

4059
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:15,280
old ben may have or may not have touched

4060
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:17,920
one um we're gonna go with may not have

4061
02:34:23,670 --> 02:34:21,040
touched one right they're amazing i did

4062
02:34:25,349 --> 02:34:23,680
not disintegrate one with my breath we

4063
02:34:29,349 --> 02:34:25,359
don't even know what's inside of it

4064
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:29,359
because we were so scared to look at it

4065
02:34:35,030 --> 02:34:31,760
in my favorite video game skyrim when

4066
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:35,040
you open up uh a charred book uh it it

4067
02:34:38,309 --> 02:34:37,520
disintegrates some or like there's no

4068
02:34:40,309 --> 02:34:38,319
well

4069
02:34:42,710 --> 02:34:40,319
i made it up it doesn't it's just like

4070
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:42,720
nothing inside of it anomaly archives

4071
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:44,110
has skyrim books

4072
02:34:49,349 --> 02:34:47,040
[Laughter]

4073
02:34:51,349 --> 02:34:49,359
i mean if they did i would

4074
02:34:53,590 --> 02:34:51,359
i would read everyone

4075
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:53,600
i read a lot of the skyrim books they're

4076
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:56,319
very short they're very powerful

4077
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:58,800
very palatable for for an individual

4078
02:35:01,590 --> 02:35:00,000
like

4079
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:01,600
i

4080
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:13,280
when you when you get to the the room

4081
02:35:16,870 --> 02:35:15,200
where the hocus pocus book is yeah

4082
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:16,880
that's what it looks like it looks

4083
02:35:20,870 --> 02:35:19,040
exactly like that that's it there's

4084
02:35:22,469 --> 02:35:20,880
candles already lit

4085
02:35:26,710 --> 02:35:22,479
i don't know if you guys know what this

4086
02:35:30,070 --> 02:35:26,720
1600 smells like but it smells like that

4087
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:30,080
special room dude yeah i've never smelt

4088
02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:33,200
anything like that before right um

4089
02:35:37,910 --> 02:35:36,160
what's that yeah it it uh it it's it's

4090
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:37,920
it's hey

4091
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:39,200
butts

4092
02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:41,280
booties

4093
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:42,880
i like it what's the name of that book

4094
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:44,640
i'm going to google it in a second yeah

4095
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:45,760
what's it called give me give me give me

4096
02:35:53,270 --> 02:35:50,950
druna

4097
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:53,280
okay yeah i'm buying can we get a larger

4098
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,840
photo of this

4099
02:35:59,190 --> 02:35:57,520
zoom in enhance what does this guy do

4100
02:36:00,309 --> 02:35:59,200
with the whip he's just

4101
02:36:02,389 --> 02:36:00,319
enhanced

4102
02:36:04,950 --> 02:36:02,399
very um okay

4103
02:36:06,950 --> 02:36:04,960
it's very sexual yeah very sexual also

4104
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:06,960
very uh violent i don't know i don't

4105
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,760
know this guy's his arm's backwards

4106
02:36:13,429 --> 02:36:11,600
[Laughter]

4107
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:13,439
this guy's his arms backwards she's just

4108
02:36:18,150 --> 02:36:14,720
like

4109
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:18,160
i'm eating cheeseburger spank me daddy

4110
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:20,000
i love you i love it

4111
02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:24,000
my name chris my name chris willa kaye

4112
02:36:32,389 --> 02:36:27,040
crystal okay anyway

4113
02:36:32,399 --> 02:36:35,830
sorry i got distracted

4114
02:36:40,710 --> 02:36:38,550
because in skyrim the the arrow uh pouch

4115
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:40,720
is not on the butt it's on the back

4116
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:42,240
that's inaccurate

4117
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:46,000
right right even for a female character

4118
02:36:48,870 --> 02:36:47,040
uh

4119
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:48,880
anyway so

4120
02:36:54,389 --> 02:36:51,760
anomaly archives dude smiles louis dude

4121
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:54,399
we were talking backstage before he

4122
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:56,399
hopped on like we started looking at the

4123
02:37:01,590 --> 02:36:58,960
people he was talking to on stage at the

4124
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:01,600
the rice university thingy

4125
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:04,560
and dude he shared the stage with like

4126
02:37:10,309 --> 02:37:07,920
the people in this community like

4127
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:10,319
yeah a lot of them absolutely that know

4128
02:37:14,630 --> 02:37:12,880
some stuff you know

4129
02:37:16,710 --> 02:37:14,640
they know they know some stuff or they

4130
02:37:18,630 --> 02:37:16,720
know some people that know some stuff

4131
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:18,640
yeah right

4132
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:21,280
what's funny too is is his perspective

4133
02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:23,120
on like

4134
02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:26,800
when i ask him the question about like

4135
02:37:30,870 --> 02:37:28,960
where the line is drawn between personal

4136
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:30,880
truth and belief and then like actual

4137
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:33,280
fact

4138
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:35,600
which again was probably like a two

4139
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:36,800
like a two

4140
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:38,000
i don't know

4141
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:40,240
two-parter question i guess

4142
02:37:43,670 --> 02:37:41,760
but uh

4143
02:37:46,309 --> 02:37:43,680
i i thought his answer was really really

4144
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:46,319
awesome because it spoke to not only

4145
02:37:49,670 --> 02:37:48,560
just the zeitgeist to the community as a

4146
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:49,680
whole

4147
02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:50,720
where

4148
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:51,920
it

4149
02:37:58,710 --> 02:37:56,479
when enough people are aware of

4150
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:58,720
something it becomes political

4151
02:38:02,870 --> 02:38:00,720
and then and at this climate this

4152
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:02,880
current climate dude it's just so

4153
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:04,479
volatile man

4154
02:38:10,150 --> 02:38:07,120
and nothing gets done nothing is done

4155
02:38:12,309 --> 02:38:10,160
it's so frustrating it's yeah oh god

4156
02:38:14,469 --> 02:38:12,319
i've been seeing it

4157
02:38:16,230 --> 02:38:14,479
we're like

4158
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:16,240
at the end of the day where you're like

4159
02:38:20,230 --> 02:38:18,319
so amped up about something and then if

4160
02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:20,240
you really take a step back and look at

4161
02:38:24,710 --> 02:38:22,399
what you're like excited about or or

4162
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:24,720
amped up about and you look at the

4163
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:26,160
actual facts

4164
02:38:29,270 --> 02:38:27,680
and what happened and who we're talking

4165
02:38:31,429 --> 02:38:29,280
about and what the information is we're

4166
02:38:33,349 --> 02:38:31,439
trying to get

4167
02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:33,359
are we really learning anything or are

4168
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:35,840
we just like gossiping yeah it's just

4169
02:38:39,830 --> 02:38:37,920
gossip a lot of it is gossip it

4170
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:39,840
absolutely is man

4171
02:38:44,710 --> 02:38:42,800
it absolutely is and like i don't have

4172
02:38:47,190 --> 02:38:44,720
enough time in my day for that right now

4173
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:47,200
like just i don't have time for that

4174
02:38:50,790 --> 02:38:48,880
isn't it so weird though like how

4175
02:38:55,429 --> 02:38:50,800
something like the anomaly archives

4176
02:38:56,550 --> 02:38:55,439
exist right and uh while they may have

4177
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:56,560
you know

4178
02:39:02,950 --> 02:38:59,120
a lot of supporters

4179
02:39:04,150 --> 02:39:02,960
at the time that like you know covet hit

4180
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:04,160
and then

4181
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:06,720
rent prices jacked up

4182
02:39:10,469 --> 02:39:09,040
right and then the anomaly archives had

4183
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:10,479
to shut down

4184
02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:11,680
then all of a sudden the government

4185
02:39:15,750 --> 02:39:14,080
wants to be like hey ufos are real

4186
02:39:18,070 --> 02:39:15,760
everybody we're going to take this

4187
02:39:19,750 --> 02:39:18,080
serious i'm sure i'm sure smiles was

4188
02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:19,760
like

4189
02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:21,040
damn it

4190
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:26,240
years and nobody has taken it seriously

4191
02:39:30,630 --> 02:39:28,399
with you and now that i have to shut

4192
02:39:31,910 --> 02:39:30,640
down you [\h__\h] come out with a

4193
02:39:34,870 --> 02:39:31,920
goddamn

4194
02:39:36,230 --> 02:39:34,880
thing that says hold up

4195
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:36,240
you take off

4196
02:39:40,309 --> 02:39:38,479
and something that would like boost

4197
02:39:42,950 --> 02:39:40,319
interest in like

4198
02:39:46,070 --> 02:39:42,960
people wanting to visit the anomaly

4199
02:39:49,030 --> 02:39:46,080
archives yeah and and now you come out

4200
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:49,040
with it when i have you sons of [\h__\h]

4201
02:39:54,389 --> 02:39:50,640
right that would have been the perfect

4202
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:56,150
available to the public would you like

4203
02:39:59,590 --> 02:39:57,680
to know more information about what the

4204
02:40:02,070 --> 02:39:59,600
government is talking about right now go

4205
02:40:03,750 --> 02:40:02,080
visit the anomaly archives on 2nd street

4206
02:40:06,070 --> 02:40:03,760
austin texas blah blah blah you know

4207
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:06,080
what i'm saying like what the [\h__\h] you

4208
02:40:11,349 --> 02:40:08,800
want to talk about those those negative

4209
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:11,359
synchronicities that's one of them dude

4210
02:40:17,110 --> 02:40:13,840
right but i dude i

4211
02:40:19,349 --> 02:40:17,120
i have faith in this man it's it's such

4212
02:40:20,630 --> 02:40:19,359
a great place there's so much

4213
02:40:22,389 --> 02:40:20,640
information

4214
02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:22,399
and i know that they're looking for a

4215
02:40:27,030 --> 02:40:23,439
steady

4216
02:40:29,349 --> 02:40:27,040
uh funding operation to help them out

4217
02:40:31,349 --> 02:40:29,359
and you know i would love to do anything

4218
02:40:33,670 --> 02:40:31,359
we possibly can to help them out but

4219
02:40:35,030 --> 02:40:33,680
like it's it's it's like

4220
02:40:36,550 --> 02:40:35,040
you would think in austin that they

4221
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:36,560
could be like hey

4222
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:39,040
torches right let me uh

4223
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:40,720
let me just open the archive right

4224
02:40:44,309 --> 02:40:42,720
behind you so everybody that comes in

4225
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:44,319
the archive then leaves and goes to

4226
02:40:47,670 --> 02:40:45,840
torches right you know like you would

4227
02:40:50,309 --> 02:40:47,680
think like a austin based company would

4228
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:50,319
be like yeah that's dope let's do it

4229
02:40:54,070 --> 02:40:52,160
let's do it

4230
02:40:56,710 --> 02:40:54,080
yeah see torches would be the perfect

4231
02:40:58,230 --> 02:40:56,720
place to go dude i bet they would

4232
02:41:00,830 --> 02:40:58,240
invest

4233
02:41:03,670 --> 02:41:00,840
i don't know i don't know man you know

4234
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:03,680
like i'm so hungry [\h__\h] like i would

4235
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:06,640
love i would love to open the garage

4236
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:09,840
studio on top with the anomaly archives

4237
02:41:14,830 --> 02:41:12,319
on the bottom

4238
02:41:17,830 --> 02:41:14,840
you know why do we have to be the tops

4239
02:41:24,389 --> 02:41:17,840
dude uh because like the top is probably

4240
02:41:28,309 --> 02:41:26,230
if i'm being totally honest you know

4241
02:41:29,670 --> 02:41:28,319
what i'm saying smile seems like a power

4242
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:29,680
bottom you know

4243
02:41:33,510 --> 02:41:31,920
so he seems like the power bottom kind

4244
02:41:35,190 --> 02:41:33,520
of a guy so i feel like we'd have to be

4245
02:41:36,389 --> 02:41:35,200
on time

4246
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:36,399
you know

4247
02:41:42,150 --> 02:41:38,640
i absolutely agree with that statement

4248
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:42,160
yeah dude uh well the idea i mean it

4249
02:41:45,990 --> 02:41:44,399
smiles if you're still watching dude i

4250
02:41:48,870 --> 02:41:46,000
know you guys want to stay locally in

4251
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:48,880
austin but uh hey taylor is growing and

4252
02:41:53,190 --> 02:41:51,200
rent is cheap as [\h__\h] and if you ever

4253
02:41:55,590 --> 02:41:53,200
decide you want to sell that

4254
02:41:56,870 --> 02:41:55,600
it's not cheap i mean it's it's cheaper

4255
02:41:58,790 --> 02:41:56,880
than austin

4256
02:42:00,389 --> 02:41:58,800
it is cheaper than that is she putting

4257
02:42:04,309 --> 02:42:00,399
it off it's gonna drop you cheaper than

4258
02:42:05,110 --> 02:42:04,319
that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh so

4259
02:42:06,469 --> 02:42:05,120
like

4260
02:42:08,070 --> 02:42:06,479
and we wouldn't even charge your rent

4261
02:42:09,510 --> 02:42:08,080
dude if you were on the bottom and we

4262
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:09,520
were on the top right you just let us

4263
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:11,040
come in and check out books whenever we

4264
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:12,640
want you know

4265
02:42:15,990 --> 02:42:13,600
yeah

4266
02:42:17,349 --> 02:42:16,000
so the idea though joe i mean just for

4267
02:42:20,070 --> 02:42:17,359
people listening that i haven't heard of

4268
02:42:22,389 --> 02:42:20,080
this they're in the

4269
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:22,399
city of taylor texas downtown there's a

4270
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:24,960
building it's this all bank building

4271
02:42:30,230 --> 02:42:27,680
think think uh ghostbusters dude like it

4272
02:42:33,510 --> 02:42:30,240
is a classic ass building

4273
02:42:36,630 --> 02:42:33,520
it would be ghostbusters style like dope

4274
02:42:38,790 --> 02:42:36,640
dude so the bottom floor right the the

4275
02:42:40,389 --> 02:42:38,800
thought is build a bar

4276
02:42:42,790 --> 02:42:40,399
and have like

4277
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:42,800
alien ufo

4278
02:42:48,070 --> 02:42:45,520
conspiracy type things

4279
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:48,080
like booths right you know

4280
02:42:51,429 --> 02:42:50,240
and then the the top floor is the whole

4281
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:51,439
studio

4282
02:42:54,870 --> 02:42:52,479
so

4283
02:42:56,790 --> 02:42:54,880
nico just came up with a brilliant idea

4284
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:56,800
he says no dudes

4285
02:43:02,550 --> 02:42:59,439
a bar on the bottom floor then the

4286
02:43:04,870 --> 02:43:02,560
studio and then the archives and then

4287
02:43:06,230 --> 02:43:04,880
you have a beer garden on top on the

4288
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:06,240
roof

4289
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:07,680
that's why we hang out with nico he's

4290
02:43:20,389 --> 02:43:13,349
yeah

4291
02:43:23,020 --> 02:43:20,399
thing though on top

4292
02:43:30,070 --> 02:43:23,030
yeah

4293
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:30,080
garage thing that goes down like a like

4294
02:43:42,710 --> 02:43:31,200
a

4295
02:43:44,309 --> 02:43:42,720
of the building

4296
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:44,319
and come down

4297
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:45,520
and and

4298
02:43:49,269 --> 02:43:48,000
i'm pretty close to the hover thing so

4299
02:43:51,190 --> 02:43:49,279
you are dude

4300
02:43:54,150 --> 02:43:51,200
those magnets in your office chair how

4301
02:43:56,550 --> 02:43:54,160
did that work out i i literally have two

4302
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:56,560
magnets stuck in between

4303
02:44:00,870 --> 02:43:59,520
betwixt uh

4304
02:44:03,349 --> 02:44:00,880
my prevent parts

4305
02:44:05,590 --> 02:44:03,359
[Laughter]

4306
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:05,600
it's just magnifying all your

4307
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:08,800
all your sperm it's it's it's it's

4308
02:44:12,150 --> 02:44:10,240
you're sitting on it and you don't even

4309
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:12,160
know it but it's actually pulling and

4310
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:14,800
lengthening your ball sack yeah so

4311
02:44:17,750 --> 02:44:16,960
before you even hit 40 it's gonna be

4312
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:17,760
like

4313
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:20,080
dipping in the toilet bowl dude

4314
02:44:22,389 --> 02:44:21,120
lots of holding because i don't know

4315
02:44:24,070 --> 02:44:22,399
you're i don't know if you know this but

4316
02:44:26,870 --> 02:44:24,080
your blood has iron in it so when

4317
02:44:29,110 --> 02:44:26,880
magnets are attached to it it can you

4318
02:44:33,590 --> 02:44:29,120
can shift and pull your body the whole

4319
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:33,600
reason i did it was to lengthen my balls

4320
02:44:37,910 --> 02:44:36,240
no dude you want to lengthen your [\h__\h]

4321
02:44:40,230 --> 02:44:37,920
otherwise you just have like these these

4322
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:40,240
long ass holes

4323
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:41,840
you told me it was all about the ball

4324
02:44:45,510 --> 02:44:43,200
length

4325
02:44:49,910 --> 02:44:45,520
you told me that

4326
02:44:53,190 --> 02:44:51,190
you said

4327
02:44:55,030 --> 02:44:53,200
chicks love long balls dude what can i

4328
02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:55,040
say they love long balls they love tiny

4329
02:44:57,830 --> 02:44:57,120
dicks and long balls that's exactly what

4330
02:44:59,429 --> 02:44:57,840
you told me

4331
02:45:01,429 --> 02:44:59,439
[Laughter]

4332
02:45:05,030 --> 02:45:01,439
i saw i went out if i spent fifteen

4333
02:45:08,389 --> 02:45:05,040
thousand dollars i do i sold my damn car

4334
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:08,399
i didn't finance my house

4335
02:45:16,389 --> 02:45:11,439
all to make this secret cia office chair

4336
02:45:18,730 --> 02:45:17,670
we stole those documents from the

4337
02:45:21,830 --> 02:45:18,740
invisible college

4338
02:45:24,070 --> 02:45:21,840
[Laughter]

4339
02:45:25,349 --> 02:45:24,080
i've documented from the invisible

4340
02:45:27,750 --> 02:45:25,359
college

4341
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:27,760
you can't see it because it's invisible

4342
02:45:31,590 --> 02:45:29,520
this is the link that the longer the

4343
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:31,600
balls the longer you live

4344
02:45:35,429 --> 02:45:34,000
that's right dude

4345
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:35,439
the longer the ball is the longer you

4346
02:45:40,710 --> 02:45:39,670
well dude this has been an amazing

4347
02:45:43,030 --> 02:45:40,720
episode

4348
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:43,040
absolutely amazing yeah this has been a

4349
02:45:49,030 --> 02:45:45,520
lot of fun yeah a lot of fun i had a

4350
02:45:50,950 --> 02:45:49,040
great time tonight i i uh i had a very

4351
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:50,960
good time tonight

4352
02:45:54,950 --> 02:45:52,479
you know why thank you

4353
02:45:56,150 --> 02:45:54,960
what's up what why why

4354
02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:56,160
no i was going to say thank you to

4355
02:46:01,269 --> 02:45:58,240
everybody but

4356
02:46:02,389 --> 02:46:01,279
i realized i cut you off and i apologize

4357
02:46:04,389 --> 02:46:02,399
honestly i was going to say the same

4358
02:46:06,870 --> 02:46:04,399
thing because i had such a great time

4359
02:46:08,870 --> 02:46:06,880
because uh we saw

4360
02:46:11,349 --> 02:46:08,880
look everybody's still in chat there's

4361
02:46:12,950 --> 02:46:11,359
still more people than we usually get on

4362
02:46:15,269 --> 02:46:12,960
a thursday night so

4363
02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:15,279
yeah i just wanna i'm just feeling very

4364
02:46:19,990 --> 02:46:17,520
thankful for everybody uh supporting the

4365
02:46:21,830 --> 02:46:20,000
show and hanging out like that's [\h__\h]

4366
02:46:23,830 --> 02:46:21,840
that's so cool yeah we got like three

4367
02:46:24,870 --> 02:46:23,840
new members tonight man yeah that's so

4368
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:24,880
awesome

4369
02:46:29,349 --> 02:46:27,439
yes yes that's why it's it's one of the

4370
02:46:32,070 --> 02:46:29,359
best shows in a while just that's how

4371
02:46:34,870 --> 02:46:32,080
you know we're reaching the masses

4372
02:46:36,870 --> 02:46:34,880
yeah we're reaching the masses

4373
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:36,880
with the asses you know what i'm saying

4374
02:46:41,590 --> 02:46:39,279
we're talking about that butts dude yeah

4375
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:41,600
where's that photo where did that

4376
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:48,630
cue butt photo ah [\h__\h] it was a book

4377
02:46:51,750 --> 02:46:50,080
i lost i don't even remember the name of

4378
02:46:53,269 --> 02:46:51,760
it i'm gonna have to listen back to the

4379
02:46:54,630 --> 02:46:53,279
episode now

4380
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:54,640
i'm gonna fast

4381
02:46:58,309 --> 02:46:56,800
no this is one of those episodes where i

4382
02:47:00,309 --> 02:46:58,319
am definitely going to listen back to

4383
02:47:02,389 --> 02:47:00,319
the whole thing actually that was so

4384
02:47:04,070 --> 02:47:02,399
great yeah that was so great dude we

4385
02:47:08,469 --> 02:47:04,080
could talk to we could talk to smiles

4386
02:47:09,670 --> 02:47:08,479
for for like hours oh yeah

4387
02:47:12,550 --> 02:47:09,680
yeah

4388
02:47:15,110 --> 02:47:12,560
ah yes man thank you guys so much for

4389
02:47:16,870 --> 02:47:15,120
joining us tonight we had a great time

4390
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:16,880
it's always a great time

4391
02:47:22,389 --> 02:47:20,160
um because we have awesome guests and we

4392
02:47:24,710 --> 02:47:22,399
have awesome listeners man without you

4393
02:47:26,309 --> 02:47:24,720
all this would be you know this wouldn't

4394
02:47:27,590 --> 02:47:26,319
be it would be exactly what we were

4395
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:27,600
talking about in the beginning how we

4396
02:47:31,269 --> 02:47:29,200
made it really for friends and family

4397
02:47:33,349 --> 02:47:31,279
but they don't listen anyway so you know

4398
02:47:35,750 --> 02:47:33,359
what i'm saying thank you guys so much

4399
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:35,760
man we really appreciate it thank you

4400
02:47:40,550 --> 02:47:38,240
guys for helping us get to over 3 000

4401
02:47:43,429 --> 02:47:40,560
subs this past weekend yeah that was

4402
02:47:45,830 --> 02:47:43,439
absolutely incredible ben and i would

4403
02:47:48,309 --> 02:47:45,840
have never even thought

4404
02:47:50,870 --> 02:47:48,319
3 000 people wouldn't want to listen to

4405
02:47:52,630 --> 02:47:50,880
us um and so that's just absolutely

4406
02:47:55,830 --> 02:47:52,640
amazing thank you guys so much for the

4407
02:47:57,030 --> 02:47:55,840
support um most of all though

4408
02:47:59,990 --> 02:47:57,040
definitely

4409
02:48:02,070 --> 02:48:00,000
support your local people around you

4410
02:48:04,389 --> 02:48:02,080
that are in the topic if you're into the

4411
02:48:07,110 --> 02:48:04,399
topic um that's what we're trying to do

4412
02:48:09,510 --> 02:48:07,120
right now with anomaly archives um like

4413
02:48:11,429 --> 02:48:09,520
i said i've said this quite a few times

4414
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:11,439
now tonight but it's very important i

4415
02:48:14,469 --> 02:48:12,640
mean it's just

4416
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:14,479
anything that you guys buy from us we

4417
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:17,200
donate when you help us

4418
02:48:21,510 --> 02:48:19,760
you actually are helping the community

4419
02:48:23,190 --> 02:48:21,520
in a small way because we're trying to

4420
02:48:25,990 --> 02:48:23,200
help the community in a small way and

4421
02:48:27,590 --> 02:48:26,000
together we can all help each other man

4422
02:48:32,469 --> 02:48:27,600
together we win

4423
02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:32,479
we win we win yes man yes i love it i

4424
02:48:35,030 --> 02:48:34,080
love it hey

4425
02:48:38,950 --> 02:48:35,040
uh

4426
02:48:39,830 --> 02:48:38,960
you got that funky music ready to go or

4427
02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:39,840
what

4428
02:48:50,420 --> 02:48:47,490
[Music]

4429
02:48:53,590 --> 02:48:50,430
[Applause]

4430
02:48:56,630 --> 02:48:55,910
that's what he said and that's what we

4431
02:48:58,630 --> 02:48:56,640
are

4432
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:58,640
the ufo

4433
02:49:03,830 --> 02:49:01,120
hey ladies and gentlemen ben is

4434
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:03,840
absolutely feeling better he's no longer

4435
02:49:06,309 --> 02:49:04,640
sick

4436
02:49:12,950 --> 02:49:06,319
and uh you can tell

4437
02:49:18,150 --> 02:49:15,790
this has been another episode of ufo

4438
02:49:20,469 --> 02:49:18,160
garage hey man

4439
02:49:22,710 --> 02:49:20,479
we're gonna talk to y'all on uh on

4440
02:49:25,269 --> 02:49:22,720
tuesday all right

4441
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:25,279
so uh maybe maybe even tomorrow dude

4442
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:32,150
we love you guys hey we love you guys we

4443
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:41,990
this is normally where we end oh yeah oh